Inconsiderate!

[Gotterdammerung]

Factors

Ignorance: sometimes people only know a few good camps. If none of those camps are open, they feel justified in "crowding" a camp.

Also many people do not realize that holding a mediocre camp alone is often times more productive than fighting competition at a excellent camp.

Morality: This factor is too long to explain. It requires that you understand how human beings relate to morality.
For a short crash course, visit this link http://www.baylor.edu/content/servic....php/25042.pdf and keep wiki open on an extra tab to look up all the terms you don't understand.

If you make it through all 24 pages i think you will have your answer, as well as a greater understanding of why people do what they do.

[Dijana]

I absolutely hate it when other people camp on top. Particularly when there are plenty of other areas open like you said. The last time I went in dynamis, there was a group already in my favourite spot, so I looked for other areas (though any other good spots were taken too) so I had our group only move to our good spot after the first had left.

Of course, after we moved in there, a whole new group came and camped on top of us. They hadnt been in the zone when it was crowded, and when I searched it at the time they came to camp on top, the zone really wasnt crowded anymore. Despite us being there first, they actively tried to force us out by pointing mobs at the whm in our group to mpk us (luckily the whm was just being dualboxed for buffs and I was healing everyone on dnc mainly)

I find it incredibly rude when people do that sort of thing, even though I refuse to do that I know it wont change anything. But then it bothers me when my own group begins saying things like 'well we're gonna have to force them out arent we!' if we ever show up to an area and there's already a group there before us :/

[MojoJojo]

Guess i'll just toss my 2cents in.
-Camping over a group that was there first i feel is a pretty jerkface thing to do, but its fair game. I've been subjected to that kind of thing, and you do the slow-burn, but you cant draw a line around an area and say "MINE!"
-Claiming a yellow mob is fair game, you should be more upset with whatever you did to lose claim than the folks that cleaned up your mess. It's not stealing by any means, you had your "chance" at the mob, and now he's moved on. Forcing it to go yellow or mpk'ing and all that underhanded stuff is a different story, obviously.
-That 20 bucks lying on the ground is going in my pocket.......that bill went yellow!

[Tamoa]

I know it can be a nuisance when other people camp on top of your own group. But as long as it doesn't slow down kill speed/monster availability too much, then idm too much. However, I never understood those people who insist on camping on top of others, and end up gimping both groups' kill speed. See: greater colibri camp back @ 75 cap, a 3rd party arriving and starting to kill stuff, thus gimping everybody's exp including their own.

On the other hand, killing a bst pet slept by another group just so the bst can use charm, is a shitty thing to do.

Claiming a mob that goes white, it not stealing. You can't steal something that nobody owns.

[katz]

You seem to think someone takes a long time on a mob when they solo them. I am quicker than most ls people because I only have 1 person feeding it tp and not wiping left right and center to get the next person in to waste more time because they are underskilled at taking on mobs 1:1. A mob can be claimed after 10 seconds if you mis time something or lag, doesnt mean you have held up anyone. Wonders why there are so many bad players out there that they cant solo mobs quickly. Oh yes I remember they leech their jobs and dont understand how to play them and assume everyone else is as bad as themselves.

[katz]

Oh and I agree monopolizing mobs is bad. Whether its a solo player or an ls who have 18 people waiting to proc the 1 nm x 18. Same difference.

[Rearden]

Why would I fight something 1v1 when my personality and brain capability is tolerable enough to allow for friends?

1xDNC/THF/NIN vs Any mix of Kannagi/Vere or Ukon/Vere comes out behind.

But that's science, and we all know the story about that.

[katz]

why does a champion boxer take on 1:1 when his mates could beat him up quicker. Wheres the skill involved if you want everyone to stand around and watch a tank die and wait for the next tank in the group to take over. Why do people climb mount everest? Because they can and its there. Some times its about proving what you can do without others, other times its about what you can do as a group, neither way is right or wrong. How you know if your gear choice is right, you ask your friends, but what if they give you bad advice for your style of play, its all a game. Choice is one of the fun part of ffxi.

[Kensagaku]

why does a champion boxer take on 1:1 when his mates could beat him up quicker. Wheres the skill involved if you want everyone to stand around and watch a tank die and wait for the next tank in the group to take over. Why do people climb mount everest? Because they can and its there. Some times its about proving what you can do without others, other times its about what you can do as a group, neither way is right or wrong. How you know if your gear choice is right, you ask your friends, but what if they give you bad advice for your style of play, its all a game. Choice is one of the fun part of ffxi.

T.T I need to stop reading the OF in the morning, it's a headache. But its like a car wreck; you can't help but stop and stare in horror, like it's morbidly attracting.

Anywho, bolded the point I wanted to make. Choice is part of the game? Well it's a person's choice whether or not to take a mob that has gone white. If it's white? To me, it's fair game. If a person simply lost hold of it for a second (i.e. got knocked back and accidentally disengaged) then yeah, I'll leave it be. But if they're apoc-zombieing or have died? Fair game. It's a freebie. My choice would be to take it. Hey look at that, choice can be used by both sides of the argument.

Also, what makes you think it's any less inconsiderate for you to be taking the time to solo when there's another group waiting? You are wasting time by taking a half hour to solo a mob that a moderately skilled group can kill in minutes. You're right, a skilled soloist is better than a below-average alliance that just tosses pink and blue bodies at a mob; you'd likely win, they'd simply have it depop. But a moderate group is going to kill faster than you, is going to do so without wiping (though a few members might die from bad moves), and above all, will be less likely to lose claim on a mob.

When you choose to solo, you also take the risk that being KO'd (even with infinite reraises) means that your mob goes white, and by SE's rules, it is fair game. If you farmed the pop set solo but couldn't take the NM? That's your fault, because either you were underprepared, underskilled, or you just didn't stand a chance. Any GM will tell you that such a mob would be free for anyone to claim, because you no longer have claim over it. You can say "but it was my popset, therefore it is my monster and no one else can have it!" Wrong. The monster belongs to you as long as its name is red (or purple if an alliance member has it, come to think of it why don't they make that red to prevent confusion?), but once it goes white, it is a free game NM for anyone to claim.

Trust me, I like to solo to prove myself too. I've soloed NIN/DNC, I've soloed things on BST, and I've soloed things on BLU. But it's not worth slowing people down or risk losing an NM with good drops to "prove myself". To who, for that matter? The same people whose help you shunned? If I recall correctly you yourself said it's nothing but a game... so why bother proving yourself if it doesn't matter, hm? Either way, soloing is a good way to deal with things if you can't get help, but it's slow, inefficient, and holds up other people and wastes their time. You're welcome to make the choice to do so if you still wish to, but don't go whining when you wipe and someone takes your mob; you wasting their time is just as inconsiderate as them taking "your" mob.

[xbobx]

people with Gokku's opinion need to leave the game. This game was designed as a game that requires community and cooperation. People like that basically just need to leave. In fact if they have this attitude in real life, they need to just leave society and be tossed on some desolate island that matches their attitude of selfishness. This would help to reserve natural resources.