Stage2 Ochain/Daudarbla

[Hayward]

I took a look at those VNMs again and I believe there's another reason to all of this. There's no incentive for people doing +2 armor upgrades to even bother with these NMs. Adding +2 trial items to the pool would certainly increase participation and, in turn, the chances for more souls to be obtained.

[scaevola]

I took a look at those VNMs again and I believe there's another reason to all of this. There's no incentive for people doing +2 armor upgrades to even bother with these NMs. Adding +2 trial items to the pool would certainly increase participation and, in turn, the chances for more souls to be obtained.

If +1 body seals can't entice people to do Heroes VNMs, +2 items won't either.

[Hayward]

Additionally, I'd like to see tier III abyssites remain in the KI list until the player wants to dispose of it. If S-E is going to require so many souls, at least give people hassle-free way of getting them.

[Aeonk]

Additionally, I'd like to see tier III abyssites remain in the KI list until the player wants to dispose of it. If S-E is going to require so many souls, at least give people hassle-free way of getting them.

Terrible idea. All that would do is shift the bottleneck from T2 to T3, not alleviate it.

Not to mention that giving people infinite pop sets for T3 isn't really fair to everyone else.

About the only good thing about the situation as it is right now is when you or your competition is done upgrading T2's, you/they move on and let others get a chance at upgrading. Your suggestion would make it a permanent bottle neck from which there is no squeezing through.

[Hayward]

Terrible idea. All that would do is shift the bottleneck from T2 to T3, not alleviate it.

Not to mention that giving people infinite pop sets for T3 isn't really fair to everyone else.

About the only good thing about the situation as it is right now is when you or your competition is done upgrading T2's, you/they move on and let others get a chance at upgrading. Your suggestion would make it a permanent bottle neck from which there is no squeezing through.

You might be right about this. Another idea would be to give players the option of upgrading from Tier II to Tier III once they've beaten the Tier II VNM and/or the option of either downgrading to Tier II or letting the abyssite break once the Tier III VNM is defeated. One way or another, there has to be a way to make VNM hunting less arduous.

[Rearden]

+2's are hard though

[Zagen]

+2's are hard though

This made me lol, thank you

[Masamunai]

Mmmm so to sum up what everyone said/quoted in this thread:

Main problem of Ochain/Daudarbla is the T2 > T3 color change rate. (no message from Camate/Devs).

T1 > T2 color change rate is NOT a problem for most players (and will be raised according to Camate). This will potentially increase the difficulty of the problem above.

If addressing T2>T3 color change rate, Heroes T3s popping will need ALSO to be diversified (ie 3 pops of same T3, and/or include Vision VNMs for 1 random Colorless Soul), and/or made more interesting (ie adding +2 upgrade items to their treasure pools).
(so far i didnot find any message from Camate/Devs about this issue, except fixing Maere/Brulo droprates...)

Did i miss anything?

[Pyrobunny]

Did i miss anything?

sounds about it to me