Stage2 Ochain/Daudarbla

[scaevola]

er Markov... this is Stage2 so don't compare Ochain/Daud Stage2 with Stage1 of other empyrean...

I think he means to say stage 2 of Daruchain isn't as frustrating and inconvenient as a Tahrongi Empyrean. I don't know if I agree with that, but I don't think it matters which is really worse because they're both way worse than anything else.

Also, if you're getting 1/40 color change on T1>T2, why are you doing that in the Heroes zone? If it's that awful, surely it's worth your time to come partake of the 1/3ish change rate I see in La Theine.

[MarkovChain]

You are solo so that's another problem, you can only camp Koios and when it finally upgrade you have to poke your LS. I usually camp Koios and mdk camps Gamayun, and we usually have no problem upgrading to colorfull abyssite on 6 char (takes less than 1 hour) and then getting out tier 2 upgraded within the evening. Generally since mdk has no CC in grauberg, we have 2 brulo 4 maere. It's not as bad as you think. The only issue with this is if your CC are gimp soloers like BSTs and take forever to kill. Totally eyeballing the upgrade rate to emerald is around 1/4-1/5.

[Masamunai]

I usually camp Koios [...]. Totally eyeballing the upgrade rate to emerald is around 1/4-1/5.

And erm... arenot you raging after seeing other upgraders outclaiming you at popping Koios ? It's in that case when i start thinking "wtf why we fucking can't team up like for seals..."
Gamayun isnot better either: i can solo her with my BST (but takes long time compared to THF on koios) but at grauberg it's not solo campers there is, but generally duos trios, meaning they outclaims you 2-3x more than @ Altepa. Even worse: since they are already duoing/trioing, after getting color change they go right at Maere and you see them again less than 30mins later camping against you on Gamayun...
I didnot try Chione yet but i m guessing it's worse than Koios/Gamayun :s

Btw Thanks Rearden for the link, reading.

[Shiyo]

One emp per person? o_O

Also what is a MDK/CC?

[MarkovChain]

For vnm you can also afk every 10 minutes and for normal empy you generally do it non stop so it's less annoying. For chloris for instance you have a 10 minute NM to kill and you have to proc it. Needless to say, if you didn't bring the correct jobs for 100% proc you are boned. I think it took me and mdk maybe 2 weeks to get both chloris done, not sure. We can farm 75 souls in ~ 1 week with 6 chars.

[Kimble]

is it really that hard to bring a NIN WAR and WHM?

Galvoid and Chloris are really not bad at all to farm. No where near as bad as VNM,

[Arcon]

is it really that hard to bring a NIN WAR and WHM?

Yes.

Galvoid and Chloris are really not bad at all to farm. No where near as bad as VNM,

Your opinion. It takes a lot more effort both to farm and to fight. VNMs is mostly AFK time with a little bit of paying attention every few minutes.

[Kimble]

Yes.



Your opinion. It takes a lot more effort both to farm and to fight. VNMs is mostly AFK time with a little bit of paying attention every few minutes.

Hell, even if the zone is heavily camped, you can SOLO gold box farm there for KIs, you cant do that with VNMs.

[Arcon]

In the time it takes you to upgrade ONE t1 - > t2 - > t3, you probably could have finished an entire chloris/glavoid pop set <_< If you have multiple people, probably multiple pop sets.

Glavoid and chloris took ~2-3 days to finish, while doing colorless soul trials for an ochain took almost TWO weeks.

One way to see it. Another is, that getting a T2 trig is, on average, a 20min effort. killing a T2 VNM takes 2min. Upgrade rate ~25% means 8min actual play time for a T3. 10min kill time for T3 (including search for it) places you at 40min play time for 1.5 souls. So the actual effort invested in obtaining the required souls is about 35 hours.

Hell, even if the zone is heavily camped, you can SOLO gold box farm there for KIs, you cant do that with VNMs.

Again, that costs definitely a lot more time to do solo, especially since it will only give you one KI. For VNMs on the other hand it wouldn't matter if you're solo or trio or in an alliance with outside people giving their emotional support. Again, it rewards casual play as opposed to continuous mass-play. Just a different way to approach it. Overall, you will need more time to upgrade a harp/shield than a weapon, but the kind of investment is different, and not everyone objects to it.

[Shiyo]

I don't see how souls can ever be compared to any other emp weapon path.

It's very easy/simple to farm chloris KI's and glavoid KI's, it simply takes TIME, and there's multiple options to acquire the KI's. For colorless souls, sometimes you can go days without getting many(or any)souls at all, that never happens with any other emp :/

All NM's camped? Np - > Cleave for gold chests

What do you do when all T3 Nm's are camped? Or t2's? You afk...