Stage2 Ochain/Daudarbla

[Masamunai]

Hello,

My 1st post here, but i don't know where to post this.

Currently 2nd stage of the Empyrean Ochain/Daudarbla requires 75 Colorless Souls from Tier3 VNMs (Brulo, Maere or Ogopogo).

I discovered this stage is by far the hardest of all empyrean stages because of a single flaw in the system i would like to report:
The color change of the colorful Demilune abyssite.

To elaborate, there is currently 0 incentive for empyrean upgraders to team up, since this color change occurs ONLY for the one person who managed to claim the Tier2 VNM Koios/Chione/Gamayun.
Direct consequence, upgraders are competing each other and it's not rare to see like 6 duos or trios (or even solo THF @ Conflux#2 Abyssea-Altepa) raging to even claim even 1 single Tier2...
Add to that, a color change rate of about 30%? (im not sure, eyeballed).

All this added together makes this stage basically like if required TRIPLE the initial amount required (i.e. 75*3=225 colorless souls).

A solution would be simply to make that color change possible for everyone in party who claimed the Tier2 Koios/Chione/Gamayun.

[Shiyo]

How would that fix anything? You wouldn't want to team up and compete for T3 pops would you?

[Masamunai]

I'm not even speaking about T3 pops... that's all the problem lol.

That would fix because then upgraders would just team up together for the Tier2 Titan/Garuda/Shiva, instead of competing each other.

I have no problem regarding the T3s. i'm ranting ONLY about the Colorful Demilune Abyssite system.

[Rearden]

Trade one bottleneck for another? Doesn't really make sense.

Also there's a thread about this with some good information already

[Masamunai]

a ok which Thread please direct me ?

For fixing the T3 bottleneck solution would be to do the same as current Empyrean NMs: make 3 of them pop in entire zone.

[Arcon]

Trade one bottleneck for another? Doesn't really make sense.

That's not what this would do. It would trade one bottleneck, for a wider bottleneck, since the conversion rate is still only ~25%. So while more people would get T3 triggers, you could do 3~4x T3 in the time it would take you to do one at the current rate. It's not perfect, but it would help.

However, the system itself would not make sense, unless everyone in the party had a T2 already. But then it would also make sense for everyone's abyssite to break, etc. There have been better suggestions in the millions of other threads about this.

[Rearden]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-of-congestion

[MarkovChain]

Currently 2nd stage of the Empyrean Ochain/Daudarbla requires 75 Colorless Souls from Tier3 VNMs (Brulo, Maere or Ogopogo).
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Personnally I found this less annoying than farming 50 chloris buds. I do about 10 souls in one evening, but of course not solo. We camp two tier 2 at a time, and we avoid the overcamped one which is uleguerand so we mostly get 1 drop per kill. I've seen plenty of soloers do it too but only in altepa since it's an easy kill. I was surprised that I didn't have CC last weekeend during JP prime.

[Masamunai]

er Markov... this is Stage2 so don't compare Ochain/Daud Stage2 with Stage1 of other empyrean...

I got lucky this morning with only 1 competitor to claim Koios, but after 120mins i exited with 0/5...
In comparison, can farm all KIs for Sobek on 3 ppl including myself with much higher competition.
If could team up with that other competitor, not only the kill would be faster, but we both would have chance for the color change... but no of course he refused...

In my case i can't camp more than 1 T2 at a time since my ls has a rule "1 empy per person" and i got already a Ukonvasara. In other words, i'm solo.

[MarkovChain]

You are solo so that's another problem, you can only camp Koios and when it finally upgrade you have to poke your LS. I usually camp Koios and mdk camps Gamayun, and we usually have no problem upgrading to colorfull abyssite on 6 char (takes less than 1 hour) and then getting out tier 2 upgraded within the evening. Generally since mdk has no CC in grauberg, we have 2 brulo 4 maere. It's not as bad as you think. The only issue with this is if your CC are gimp soloers like BSTs and take forever to kill. Totally eyeballing the upgrade rate to emerald is around 1/4-1/5.