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    /BLM gives almost nothing that is useful on NMs, my BLM is 65 and rising, plan on getting it to 90 and getting Maats cap.

    /BLM
    Sleepga
    Stun
    Warp II
    ES
    Ele Enfeebles
    /DRK
    Stun
    Abs-line (mostly for procing)
    Abs-TP (building TP during initial phase of combat)
    SoulEater (damage buff)
    LastResort (Attack buff)

    Between the two I prefer /DRK so I actually have a chance of building TP prior to the kill it order. Then SE LR CDC and keep going until its dead. /BLM is pretty much for sleepga and Warp II. Ele "enfeebles" are horrible, their so bad that the BLM's done even bother with them. ES ~might~ be useful, except nearly every HNM made in the past few years has flat % reduction in para potency, no matter how much MND you stack you'll never get a decent proc rate, if you can even land it. Blame SE on that one. Max potency Slow II is easy to land now adays, and Dia III always takes effect no matter what. So really, what exactly would I be using ES on, a Nuke once per 10 min.

    RDM's just sub BLM for the reason they sub WHM, it's an old habit from 2004 when RDM's job was written in stone by everyone else and then handed to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    /BLM gives almost nothing that is useful on NMs, my BLM is 65 and rising, plan on getting it to 90 and getting Maats cap.
    While I don't doubt in any way that /DRK is incredibly useful for Red Mage based on your arguments, I still doubt that /BLM isn't useful in some situations. I would imagine that /BLM gives you a higher base INT then /DRK, although I can't really test that right now. For landing black magic based enfeebles, /BLM sounds like the job, and /BLM can land multiple elemental enfeebles if your focus is damage over time using Red Mage.

    While /DRK might be an incredibly useful sub for Red Mage, I think that /BLM is still useful for Red Mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    While I don't doubt in any way that /DRK is incredibly useful for Red Mage based on your arguments, I still doubt that /BLM isn't useful in some situations. I would imagine that /BLM gives you a higher base INT then /DRK, although I can't really test that right now. For landing black magic based enfeebles, /BLM sounds like the job, and /BLM can land multiple elemental enfeebles if your focus is damage over time using Red Mage.

    While /DRK might be an incredibly useful sub for Red Mage, I think that /BLM is still useful for Red Mage.
    Its got it's uses, just not nearly as powerful as people claim. Its only a few INT higher I believe (off the cuff). Ele enfeebles are weak unless your talking a long slow stamina kill, then go for it. The only one I really liked was choke, -VIT can be amazing provided you can get it high enough. Unfortunately the highest we got so far is 150+ INT for 5hp/tick and -13 stat, if they would double that potency then it might be something to look into.

    Otherwise the shining jewel from /BLM is Sleepga for when you need good crowd control options. ES + Sleepga together for a guaranteed pause.
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    Just checked, 3 INT different between the two. Honestly if I'm going mage mode then I prefer /SCH, offers more as a total package.
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    Last edited by saevel; 09-18-2011 at 09:59 PM.

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    Granted, yes, I don't think Black Mage should be the be all or end all sub for Red Mage when relying on a more aggressive stance.

    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    The only one I really liked was choke, -VIT can be amazing provided you can get it high enough.
    They probably should be stronger, but the fact that you can stack about half of them is pretty amazing in my opinion. But if you are going for stat down, Dark Knight is probably competitive in this area too. For damage over time, stacking three of these and Dia/Bio (in the ideal fight) is probably the best you'll get for DoT damage short of main SCH.

    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Just checked, 3 INT different between the two. Honestly if I'm going mage mode then I prefer /SCH, offers more as a total package.
    Yeah, this is why I was careful not to mention nukes that much in my comment... the boost to skill will win any day when doing damage with elemental spells. Still, a 3 INT difference is pretty pitiful.

    Sub Black Mage will still have its uses, but I've heard repeated things about Dark Knight being a great sub for Red Mage when you want a balance between attacking and being able to cast magic.
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