Information on inventory relief, via staff consolidation, efforts

[Rearden]

@Div

While that may be true, the point of this topic is to suggest/request that this is the direction they take the staves in.

In fact, we already know (due to the test server) that the direction SE took the staves in was poor, and due to our complaints they have actually removed the Elemental trials from the 95cap update next week until they can figure out what to do. (SE made the staves +6 and +0, for example, +6 affinity with +0 accuracy, essentially making those staves worthless outside of magic burst on anything those staves are actually useful for)

[Divinius]

@Div

While that may be true, the point of this topic is to suggest/request that this is the direction they take the staves in.

Oh, I understand, and agree. My post was mostly just a counter-argument to people in this thread that are saying things like "Obviously SE doesn't plan to combine staves, since they haven't done it yet. They feel it would make them too powerful." I was simply proposing an alternate (and in my opinion, more probable) reason why SE may have not considered a staff combination trial as of yet.

Like you and most all others, I sincerely hope that when the time comes, SE does choose to add a trial (or other method) that will allow the combination of multiple elements into one staff, if you have all of the single element ones completed. I will officially add in my vote, that this is an excellent idea, and should be implemented.

[Alhanelem]

ITT: Alhanelem thinks he knows how the Devs think.

Tell me Al, since you seem to have an in with the Devs, why don't you expand on some things that I'm sure a lot of people are very interested in?

Why are most mythics shit?
Why do the Devs continue to make melee based Relic/Mythic/Emp staves for BLM and SCH?
Why does RDM not have native staff skill?

There are a great many mysteries I'm sure people would be delighted to know since you seem to understand the Devs more than any of us.

I don't "Have an in with the devs." it is an inference, or hypothesis, if you will, about what they may be thinking, based on previous statements by the community team about things they are/aren't willing/able to do. It is NOT intended to be treated as an absolute fact. That said, I personally think that if they were ever going to give us a universal magic boost staff, that they would have done it by now.

1) I wouldn't agree that "most mythics are s&#t
2) They don't "continue to do this", and the mythics are not melee based. Anyone who expected ANY relic/mythic/empyrean to undergo some kind of radical transformation was expecting too much and should know by know that it is unusual for SE to make such drastic changes to something (note "unusual", not "never done"
3) They are actually changing this, last I heard.

Noone wants to hear your explanation of why SE won't do anything 50 times in one thread. Are you allowed to say it? Of course, but once is enough, and when everyone in the thread disagrees with you for the next 5 pages, its time to bow out and let people discuss what they want to discuss, instead of continuing an argument that is obviously going nowhere.

Not "everyone" disagrees with me. Many people, as it turned out, misunderstood me, because i was actually agreeing with them about a universal staff being a good idea (the actual topic.) If you do not want to hear about something that I post about, then DO NOT ENGAGE ME ON IT! However, you're so determined to convince me that I'm wrong about anything and everything, that you seem to be unable to resist engaging me. That's not my problem.

In case people STILL don't get it: I completely support and agree with the idea of a universal magic staff. I always did and still do. I ONLY was trying to offer an explanation as to why it isn't being done, and you all assumed that I was disagreeing with the OP because you assume I disagree with everything when I don't. Here's a summary of what happens.

1) I comment on a thread
2) Someone misunderstands the comment, assumes I completely disagree with a statement, and tries to prove me wrong about it usually in an aggressive, offensive manner, under the false pretense that I actually disagreed in the firsit place.
3) I defend myself
4) I continue to be attacked and argued against
5) repeat steps 3 and 4
6) Crap like this happens.

People refuse to take their own advice when they are as much responsible for the situation. if you think something I said is full of crap and you can't be civil about it, then don't respond. You have as much power to end a conversation as I do.

[Meyi]

I would like to ask you to refrain from hypothesizing what Square Enix is thinking then, please. If you have some insightful knowledge into how the Dev team is thinking we would be thrilled to hear it. However, as you have stated that you have no such insight, then stop. None of your posts indicate that you are hypothesizing, it sounds as if it's all being declared as fact.

When you do not know something for certain, or when you are speculating, a term similar to "I think" is used. However none of the posts sprinkled throughout this thread have had any inkling of speculating.

If you agree with the OP, then stop arguing. State that you like the idea and move on. Arguing with someone you agree with is stupid.

[Alhanelem]

When you do not know something for certain, or when you are speculating, a term similar to "I think"

I did. I said "In my view, this is how they see it" several pages ago.

State that you like the idea and move on. Arguing with someone you agree with is stupid.

I couldn't agree more. But it's difficult to stop when half the forum keeps trolling you and/or doesn't actually seem to see that you agree. If I'm being attacked, it's an instincitve reaction for me to defend myself. Frankly I think this is most such people enjoying breaking me down for their own amusement, because if they didn't enjoy it, I would think it would make the most sense to stop. I myself do not get jollies from arguing, but it is difficult to break away when people put you on the defensive, because doing so sends an inaccurate message of how you really feel.

[Eurell]

Noone wants to hear your explanation of why SE won't do anything 50 times in one thread. Are you allowed to say it? Of course, but once is enough, and when everyone in the thread disagrees with you for the next 5 pages, its time to bow out and let people discuss what they want to discuss, instead of continuing an argument that is obviously going nowhere.

Not "everyone" disagrees with me. Many people, as it turned out, misunderstood me, because i was actually agreeing with them about a universal staff being a good idea (the actual topic.)

Hmm, I just read through the topic, Im not sure how I missed these "many people". Oh, nvm, I missed it becausse they didnt say anything. So you're just assuming people are misunderstanding you, as opposed to disagreeing not only with the things you say, but how you say them.

If you do not want to hear about something that I post about, then DO NOT ENGAGE ME ON IT! However, you're so determined to convince me that I'm wrong about anything and everything, that you seem to be unable to resist engaging me. That's not my problem.

How many times have I responded to you? This is maybe the 3rd since the creation of this forum? I didn't even say that you were wrong is the funny part (aside from trying to tell us what SE thinks). I said you can say w/e you want, but maybe, for the sake of the forum, the thread, and everyone's sanity, stop posting when it's obviously just going to cause arguments.

In case people STILL don't get it: I completely support and agree with the idea of a universal magic staff. I always did and still do. I ONLY was trying to offer an explanation as to why it isn't being done, and you all assumed that I was disagreeing with the OP because you assume I disagree with everything when I don't. Here's a summary of what happens.

1) I comment on a thread
2) Someone misunderstands the comment, assumes I completely disagree with a statement, and tries to prove me wrong about it usually in an aggressive, offensive manner, under the false pretense that I actually disagreed in the firsit place.
3) I defend myself
4) I continue to be attacked and argued against
5) repeat steps 3 and 4
6) Crap like this happens.

People refuse to take their own advice when they are as much responsible for the situation. if you think something I said is full of crap and you can't be civil about it, then don't respond. You have as much power to end a conversation as I do.

Idk, maybe I'm reading into it wrong here, but the YELLING IN CAPS doesn't seem very civil to me. So maybe take your own advice (and mine, we agree!) and stop responding.

[Eurell]

I couldn't agree more. But it's difficult to stop when half the forum keeps trolling you and/or doesn't actually seem to see that you agree. If I'm being attacked, it's an instincitve reaction for me to defend myself. Frankly I think this is most such people enjoying breaking me down for their own amusement, because if they didn't enjoy it, I would think it would make the most sense to stop. I myself do not get jollies from arguing, but it is difficult to break away when people put you on the defensive, because doing so sends an inaccurate message of how you really feel.

Posted as I was, or I would've made one response. I understand wanting to defend yourself if you feel attacked. What I don't agree with is your last sentence there. If you simply stopped responding and feeding into it all, people wouldn't know how you feel, nor would they care, because you stopped, and the argument is over. If you're convinced people are just trolling you (some are, some aren't) maybe be the bigger man and stop feeding them?

[Alhanelem]

Well I didn't want to specifically say it, but that "inaccurate message" you're sending is "I'm wrong, you're right." But, I guess there's no way to leave a conversation without effectively saying that. You do not want to stop when you feel you are being misunderstood, as I often am. So I continue, trying to restate my perspective in a way that people will understand. That's no easy task though. Everyone just decides that I'm against anything and everything and responds to me under that assumption. but when I am misunderstood this way, people call it "backpedaling." I'm not backpedaling, I'm trying a different way of saying something in the hope that you will understand it.

How many times have I responded to you? This is maybe the 3rd since the creation of this forum?

Not specifically directed at you, but generically at all of the respondents who trolled me for 4 pages. I'm not singling you out nor did I intend for you to feel like the sole target of the post.

[Vivik]

-Anyone who does not agree with you is a troll

-Your wording of the majority of your posts is presented as facts

-Nobody likes a know-it-all

- You start off almost every post with trying to make the person you're quoting feel inferior

- You argue about everything and anything (even about whether you are arguing or not)

- Almost every thread you post in ends up about you and how everyone is not understanding because we are in some way dumber than you. ( starting to think that's by design)

If I missed anything I'll edit my post but this sums up pretty much how I view you. Not a personal attack, just the way I see it. I'm also not gonna say I have never trolled you, but you deserved it.

[Winrie]

-Anyone who does not agree with you is a troll

-Your wording of the majority of your posts is presented as facts

-Nobody likes a know-it-all

- You start off almost every post with trying to make the person you're quoting feel inferior

- You argue about everything and anything (even about whether you are arguing or not)

- Almost every thread you post in ends up about you and how everyone is not understanding because we are in some way dumber than you. ( starting to think that's by design)

If I missed anything I'll edit my post but this sums up pretty much how I view you. Not a personal attack, just the way I see it. I'm also not gonna say I have never trolled you, but you deserved it.

that pretty much sums it up