So, no more random WoE coins at all?

[Ank]

I play with others all the time. But they don't have to help with menial or easy tasks. Who'da thunk? Just because a game is multiplayer doesn't mean you have to do everything with everyone. Otherwise even duoing crap doesn't really fit the definition does it? Do we do everything in 18 man alliances? Well maybe you do.

That's a silly argument that silly people inevitably bring up whenever they hear an inkling of silly soloing in their silly "MMO".

[Alhanelem]

As far as I can tell, nobody's getting coins from lesser mobs in WoE on the Test Server.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but it was stated by SE on this forum that random drops from regular monsters were being removed. I think the intent was to get people to actually cooperate and complete the battles.

I haven't decided if I like the idea or not, but the reason people went this way and not teamed up was because they modeled it after campaign, which was a pretty easy and causal event, and then made it really hard. They had to rework the treasure system and tone down the difficulty to make that any possibility of happening.

[Zagen]

I play with others all the time. But they don't have to help with menial or easy tasks. Who'da thunk? Just because a game is multiplayer doesn't mean you have to do everything with everyone. Otherwise even duoing crap doesn't really fit the definition does it? Do we do everything in 18 man alliances? Well maybe you do.

That's a silly argument that silly people inevitably bring up whenever they hear an inkling of silly soloing in their silly "MMO".

Seriously? 2 =/= solo however 2 = multiple, thus fitting the multi part of the name... Anyways I'm done you're clearly just trolling.

[xbobx]

Seems they destroyed WOE and destroyed casual players from ever getting the new Weaponskills, good job SE.

I saw the fake emps as something casual players could work towards piece by piece, they seem to make that even harder. Add to the fact that some of these weaponskills are a must for some jobs, without them your job is next to useless, with them they actually can hold their own.

SE, that is not called game balance. But yep, make sure Jug pets don't zone because that would upset game balance.

[Khiinroye]

Make a friend or two and do #2. You overestimate how hard that one is to win.

[xbobx]

Issue comes down to, take you what an hour or so to complete? For maybe a 5% chance at the coin you need? So what need to do about 300 or more runs for your 30 coins?

That isn't balanced compared to the full emp weapons, it may actually be more time consuming and harder.

[Nynja]

As far as I know, and I dont know since I'd rather play with my chars instead of a fake rendition...if you do complete a WoE chamber, everyone gets their own chest, but no one knows since no ones completed any chambers on the test server.

[xbobx]

Well maybe they will relook at this change, seems overall it is not popular and could cause Woe to go back to the no one doing it again.

[Sparthos]

We dont know what the new fluxes will reward.

The success or failure of the revamped event lay on how that's handled. Someone has already found a temp item primeval brew within a run of Antlions so SE could have easily gimped the event to the point where you could simply just bash trash mobs till you get a brew then proceed to cakewalk the chamber.

This is of course the worst case scenario and one would hope the brews are kept to a 1% minimum but who knows. If anything valuable comes from the new chambers, WoE will popular simply because demand will be there - especially if those WoE+3 items can be bazaared.

If common win rewards are pouches, then the event has succeeded even with the loss of singular coins. We're jumping to conclusion with no idea what the new runs are composed of.

[scaevola]

Make a friend or two and do #2. You overestimate how hard that one is to win.

No one is overestimating the difficulty of early WoE chambers. I'm reasonably sure #3 could be completed solo by DNC if you had a two-hour time limit, and the limiting factors on #2 are effective sac-pulling and how well your WHM understands Misery/Cura II. But as was mentioned in the second post, an individual Morbid Molasses is still more difficult and less rewarding than pretty much any Visions/Scars Empyrean NM other than Bukhis, so if people are willing to sacrifice time to make you a weapon, going after a WoE weapon rather than an Empyrean pretty much makes you a bad friend.

I mean, it would have been one thing if soloing had been killed off by actually making WoE more difficult or rewarding for cooperation, but SE has pretty much written that off by adding auto-reraise and bonus chests based on individual rather than relative performance. It's bizarre. It's like the changes were perfectly calibrated to accommodate both groups interested in winning and finishing a weapon in a week and soloers interested in a shot at a coin with the hope of maybe completing a toy six months from now, and then the second style of play was basically eliminated as an afterthought.