So, no more random WoE coins at all?

[Ank]

I play with others all the time. But they don't have to help with menial or easy tasks. Who'da thunk? Just because a game is multiplayer doesn't mean you have to do everything with everyone. Otherwise even duoing crap doesn't really fit the definition does it? Do we do everything in 18 man alliances? Well maybe you do.

That's a silly argument that silly people inevitably bring up whenever they hear an inkling of silly soloing in their silly "MMO".

[Zagen]

I play with others all the time. But they don't have to help with menial or easy tasks. Who'da thunk? Just because a game is multiplayer doesn't mean you have to do everything with everyone. Otherwise even duoing crap doesn't really fit the definition does it? Do we do everything in 18 man alliances? Well maybe you do.

That's a silly argument that silly people inevitably bring up whenever they hear an inkling of silly soloing in their silly "MMO".

Seriously? 2 =/= solo however 2 = multiple, thus fitting the multi part of the name... Anyways I'm done you're clearly just trolling.

[Alhanelem]

As far as I can tell, nobody's getting coins from lesser mobs in WoE on the Test Server.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but it was stated by SE on this forum that random drops from regular monsters were being removed. I think the intent was to get people to actually cooperate and complete the battles.

I haven't decided if I like the idea or not, but the reason people went this way and not teamed up was because they modeled it after campaign, which was a pretty easy and causal event, and then made it really hard. They had to rework the treasure system and tone down the difficulty to make that any possibility of happening.

[xbobx]

Seems they destroyed WOE and destroyed casual players from ever getting the new Weaponskills, good job SE.

I saw the fake emps as something casual players could work towards piece by piece, they seem to make that even harder. Add to the fact that some of these weaponskills are a must for some jobs, without them your job is next to useless, with them they actually can hold their own.

SE, that is not called game balance. But yep, make sure Jug pets don't zone because that would upset game balance.

[Khiinroye]

Make a friend or two and do #2. You overestimate how hard that one is to win.

[scaevola]

Make a friend or two and do #2. You overestimate how hard that one is to win.

No one is overestimating the difficulty of early WoE chambers. I'm reasonably sure #3 could be completed solo by DNC if you had a two-hour time limit, and the limiting factors on #2 are effective sac-pulling and how well your WHM understands Misery/Cura II. But as was mentioned in the second post, an individual Morbid Molasses is still more difficult and less rewarding than pretty much any Visions/Scars Empyrean NM other than Bukhis, so if people are willing to sacrifice time to make you a weapon, going after a WoE weapon rather than an Empyrean pretty much makes you a bad friend.

I mean, it would have been one thing if soloing had been killed off by actually making WoE more difficult or rewarding for cooperation, but SE has pretty much written that off by adding auto-reraise and bonus chests based on individual rather than relative performance. It's bizarre. It's like the changes were perfectly calibrated to accommodate both groups interested in winning and finishing a weapon in a week and soloers interested in a shot at a coin with the hope of maybe completing a toy six months from now, and then the second style of play was basically eliminated as an afterthought.

[Sparthos]

No one is overestimating the difficulty of early WoE chambers. I'm reasonably sure #3 could be completed solo by DNC if you had a two-hour time limit.

Stop trying to solo and get people to clear the chambers with? Im sure interest will peak after the update and that will be the time to strike.

[scaevola]

Stop trying to solo and get people to clear the chambers with? Im sure interest will peak after the update and that will be the time to strike.

The time invested in getting a group together to clear what is actually non-trivial content* could be better invested in shouting for Carabosse kills, where your random pawns will actually get +2 items for their trouble.



*I was running #2 just the other evening with a group of 4 (+1 sac puller) that included an Ukon and a Masamune. We'd still finish in 35 minutes. The problem is that people die, random mobs sit around and need to be killed because of WoEs dumb pathing, the sac puller almost always dies, and waiting for weakness to wear off can put the crunch on a group even if there isn't really a risk of wiping.

[Sparthos]

The time invested in getting a group together to clear what is actually non-trivial content* could be better invested in shouting for Carabosse kills, where your random pawns will actually get +2 items for their trouble.



*I was running #2 just the other evening with a group of 4 (+1 sac puller) that included an Ukon and a Masamune. We'd still finish in 35 minutes. The problem is that people die, random mobs sit around and need to be killed because of WoEs dumb pathing, the sac puller almost always dies, and waiting for weakness to wear off can put the crunch on a group even if there isn't really a risk of wiping.

I dont get your point.

Pre-patch, solo coin drops were rare and short of getting lucky with pouches you'd always take longer to finish than an Emp.

Post-patch, you'll have another 5 levels on mobs and we have unknowns with regards to the new droprates on pouches in cleared chambers, no idea on difficulty of the new chambers or with regard to new treasure that may lure individuals with no interest in WoE+3s to assist in clearing of chambers.

What exactly are you looking for? Pouch rates in flux7 right now range from 0-5 pouches for a win, solo coin rates are abysmal and Emps are easier to get to 85. If you feel that Carabosse is faster - do it. When the patch rolls around, the entire WoE dynamic will have to be re-evaluated.

[xbobx]

Issue comes down to, take you what an hour or so to complete? For maybe a 5% chance at the coin you need? So what need to do about 300 or more runs for your 30 coins?

That isn't balanced compared to the full emp weapons, it may actually be more time consuming and harder.