The test server is more fun than the real game.

[Soranika]

It's like trying teach somone how to bounce a ball, you tell them the proper way to do it is to push the ball down and let it come back up to your hand and push it back down, it's a simple, and understandable concept. but they keep kicking the ball foward, and they tell you "well it moves faster this way" this method clearly is not effective to anyone but them in thier mind, even tho everyone around this person is telling them that it's not the proper way to bounce it, and what you're doing is not effective in any way, but they keep kicking it..

at that point you do 2 things, you let them keep kicking the ball and give up? or you smile at them and give them a lolipop saying "have fun"

this is my way of telling you in a very subtle way.

The... hell? What I read out of that poor analogy is you saying "This is how you play basketball" but me going "I want to play soccer." That's what I got out of it. There's more than one way of playing a job through the game. There's more than one equipment that has certain benefits that tailors to the choice of playing style a person wants. Not to mention there's still the inevitable pros AND cons to choices that does not put one over the other persay.

You're basically taking a dump on diversity even though the diversity isn't all that greater than the other in contrast.

[Elexia]

I remember when MMORPGs were about having fun..I guess that's why Rift got popular, it may be a shitty blatant clone of WoW, but it's fun nonetheless.

[Sparthos]

It's not impossible, considering my cousin plays as WHM main, SCH backup and RDM as a solo job. The only DD job she has is WAR. So I guess Raja's is still better for her despite the majority of her jobs are mages?

She has WAR and Tamas can be easily replaced via AH options. You can't replace a Rajas (the STR/DEX/STP and SB rolled into one ring is one of a kind).

[Tamoa]

Then I'd be one who would benefit on that since I put 12/12 merits on MP. Yet epona's ring is the next option for those that do not. Also Heed Ring for those who want ACC, EVA, and subtle blow.

Epona's Ring:
All Races
"Double Attack"+3% "Triple Attack"+3%
LV 89 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

If my war, drk, sam or drg could equip it, rest assured I would be using it. Together with Rajas.

[MarkovChain]

Is there no limit to your stupidity? the latent is only active ABOVE 100 mp. let me guess, next you will say we should have an "MP set" for the ring. right? do you even think before you post? or do you just dig your hand in a bucket pull out a pile of crap and slap it on your KB and press "post reply"

Is this your way to admit that oneiros is better than rajas when you have 100 MP ? I'm not sure. Please enlighten us. Getting 100 MP is pretty easy, for instance MP merits (which half the players have). Now if you are the kind of person that doesn't want to push his char to the limit, why are you even arguing ? The question is not if rajas is the best ring for TPing out of the rings that vortex can afford ; the question is a general question about "is rajas the best". No it is not. Simple. It has shiny stats but tripple attack is also great.

[Soranika]

She has WAR and Tamas can be easily replaced via AH options. You can't replace a Rajas (the STR/DEX/STP and SB rolled into one ring is one of a kind).

You missed the part where she said WHM main... where MND +5 and Enmity -3 would be more useful to the job used the most. Being WHM main and the frequent of WHM use in parties, I'm sure she's on WHM A LOT more than WAR.

If you want to determine how useful it really is, look at what they spend the most time on and be as effective in that area as possible.

[cidbahamut]

It's not impossible, considering my cousin plays as WHM main, SCH backup and RDM as a solo job. The only DD job she has is WAR. So I guess Raja's is still better for her despite the majority of her jobs are mages?

Yup. Icesoul Ring, Aquasoul Ring, countless MP+ Rings, and even Enmity- rings. All available on the AH, all better than Tamas Ring.

Rajas gives you a package of stats that all get used simultaneously to great effect. Tamas saves you an inventory slot or two. Rajas is the better option. Every time.

[Monchat]

open your mind. MP merit, what is it? the difference is too small for me to bother getting oneiros ring and MP merits, imo, but the fact is it is better period. Whether you're ready to get MP merit or not is up to you. Personally I wont bother. And yea as mentioned several times, for dualwielders, and MNKs, the 5 STP has taken a serious hit since the introduction of all the multi hit gears. Why? since people dont seem to graps game mechanics on here, ill explaine: high multi ht rate means that in one delay period, you can do up to 7 hits. Consequently you will very often have over tp ( tp not at 100 but 120, say0. This makes 5stp almost useless.

Im not even talking about abyssea ( nobody cares about epeening your build in abyssea today). No you are not caped accuracy in many WV for example, therefore oneiros annulet> rajas. For 2handers its differrent.

[Vortex]

The... hell? What I read out of that poor analogy is you saying "This is how you play basketball" but me going "I want to play soccer." That's what I got out of it. There's more than one way of playing a job through the game. There's more than one equipment that has certain benefits that tailors to the choice of playing style a person wants. Not to mention there's still the inevitable pros AND cons to choices that does not put one over the other persay.

You're basically taking a dump on diversity even though the diversity isn't all that greater than the other in contrast.

You didn't get the message, and you just proved you never will, in this case ignorance is bliss. for your sake, we'll just leave it here.

now then..

Tamas is 5 INT 5 MND 30 mp -3 enimity

let's break it down.

5 INT there are rings with 6-7 INT out 1 option is they are buyable, other option is they are free if you are lucky with gold chests, obviously the 6-7 is greater then the 5, so that just made the Stat parts of the ring comeplty useless.

5 MND (see above) actutlly you can't get 6-7 MND rings in a chest but they aren't that expensive. (aqua ring for example)

now with that out of the way let's look at the 30 mp. it's....30 mp.. their are NUMOUROUS rings that give way more then 30 mp and is cheap/easy to get namly bifrost ring. which is 70 mp. now most people with commen sense will realize 30 mp is pretty much useless the moment you cast a spell. unless you plan on standing there and refreshing it back, so that part is out.

The last part the -3 enimity....

seriously? do i even NEED to explain this part? if - enimity is truely that much of an issue troppers ring is -4 enimity and cost like 2k ISP or something. there is also a - 5 enimity ring (altho it has -4 mnd)

so..all those stats are easily replaced with clearly superior choices.

the ONLY reason you would get one is to save space. which is not really a valid reason to pick that ring for inferior stats. as the only useful thing you would get is the -3 enimity and 30 mp.

So really. why exactly is this ring useful?

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's not impossible, considering my cousin plays as WHM main, SCH backup and RDM as a solo job. The only DD job she has is WAR. So I guess Raja's is still better for her despite the majority of her jobs are mages?

Yes, it is. My jobs are Rdm (technically main but never on it inside abyssea) Whm and Blu, and Rajas is still better for 3 (don't melee on whm much) of them than Tamas is.