Samurai Archers

[Darwena]

And playing RNG/SAM instead can't be an option? I mean, why in any way SAM/RNG should beat RNG in anything that involve a bow??? RNG are already in the bothom choice of DD in most event, dunno why we should gimp more RNG by letting another job do more DMG with bow (and not mention SAM do way enough DMG with GK)...

[Delvish]

And playing RNG/SAM instead can't be an option? I mean, why in any way SAM/RNG should beat RNG in anything that involve a bow??? RNG are already in the bothom choice of DD in most event, dunno why we should gimp more RNG by letting another job do more DMG with bow (and not mention SAM do way enough DMG with GK)...

RNG/SAM is a very valid option, though not one for the Samurai forums I'm afraid. There is no gimping being done by allowing SAMs to pursue our native capabilities in the bow. The difference between SAM and RNG with archery is similar to SCH and BLM with nukes. The former can never match the capabilities of the latter assuming the same quality of skill and equipment, but if the RNG sucks and the SAM is good then the SAM is going to seem superior. I don't think you need to worry about Samurai Archery becoming a mainstay to replace the Ranger. It takes a lot of work on the side (specific gear, skilling up, etc.) to become a proficient SAM/RNG. A lot more than the old hagun-groupie SAMs are going to want to do.

[Darwena]

Maybe I wasn't clear, english isn't my main language after all, what I mean was: SAM isn't happy with all the great stuff they have with Great Katana? GK > Archery right? if you want to shoot arrows, switch to RNG, otherwise go slash that Great Katana for a maximum of DMG... You will even save gils. Sure they can go archery but it's seem to be less efficient than melee'ing. It's like NIN throwing Shuriken... yes they can, but this so less efficient than just melee mob instead...

Edit: Just my opinion, I don't have any number to prove my point.

[Delvish]

Maybe I wasn't clear, english isn't my main language after all, what I mean was: SAM isn't happy with all the great stuff they have with Great Katana? GK > Archery right? if you want to shoot arrows, switch to RNG, otherwise go slash that Great Katana for a maximum of DMG... You will even save gils. Sure they can go archery but it's seem to be less efficient than melee'ing. It's like NIN throwing Shuriken... yes they can, but this so less efficient than just melee mob instead...

Edit: Just my opinion, I don't have any number to prove my point.

Ok, a very fair point, and I do acknowledge that. However, NIN was supposed to be a puller/DD and SAM was supposed to be a tank. So many things are not as intended simply because someone wanted to do something different. Besides, I don't like the min-max cookie cutter playing style. I like to gimp myself and see how well I do. e.g. COP Dynamis SCH99/RDM00. Failed miserably, but had a hell of a time doing it!

[hiko]

I've always enjoyed the sam/rng play style. I know it is not the most DMG efficient but ITT we are specifically talking about the SAM/RNG style.

But it doesn't matter what we try to say to cult-ninjas, they will go above and beyond to toss out a 'ninja using shuriken' insult regardless of the thread. It's like a Vana'dielian six degrees of separation.

throwingNIN are the new mereeRDM, crying over in every other thread

[Bulrogg]

I've always enjoyed the sam/rng play style. I know it is not the most DMG efficient but ITT we are specifically talking about the SAM/RNG style.

But it doesn't matter what we try to say to cult-ninjas, they will go above and beyond to toss out a 'ninja using shuriken' insult regardless of the thread. It's like a Vana'dielian six degrees of separation.

[Bulrogg]

Throwing ninjas have nothing to do with samurai archers. Cult-ninjas should stop trying to derail threads just to toss out an insult.

#sixdos

[Fupafighter]

Didn't see this anywhere, but giving samurai bow magian trials seems like an amazing ammo slot. People would just use it to make str/attack bows or tp bonus bow for their GKT. That would be unbalanced lol.

[Delvish]

Didn't see this anywhere, but giving samurai bow magian trials seems like an amazing ammo slot. People would just use it to make str/attack bows or tp bonus bow for their GKT. That would be unbalanced lol.

Ah, thank you for posting that. I need to test whether TP bonus GK affects Archery WS. The STR/Attack bow is a valid arguement and I think I addressed that much earlier on when we were discussing allowing magian bows for SAM. It does provide an incredible unbalance in game mechanics, offering a free 11 STR in a range slot. I don't think the TP bonus one would affect anything though. The way I see it, is if they allowed the Sparrow through Accipiter bows to RNG/SAM players, but Gyrfalcon RNG only, that would thoroughly eliminate SAM abuse of stat enhancing bows and focus strictly on bows that would actually be utilized. Same goes with allowing the Gymnogyps type bows, but I'm on the edge with those as I'm uncertain how they affect melee attacks.

The other part of the Accipiter bows is that either the trial or SAM's WS availability would have to be modified, as we wouldn't be able to get past the second trial

[Hyden]

Can SAM get some new arrows?

It's kind of ridiculous that the best arrows we get are:

Antlion Arrow lvl 80
DMG: 41 Delay: 90 Ranged Attack +5

and then RNG only gets:

Ruszor Arrow lvl 89
DMG: 46 Delay: 90

AND

Gargouille Arrow lvl 97
DMG: 51 Delay: 90 Ranged Accuracy +5

I know archery isn't our best skill, but no new arrows for 19 lvls when RNG got 2 kinda sux