Samurai Archers

[Delvish]

Noticed looking through some of the stat mod adjustments SE is doing soon, Ranged weapons are included. RATT will be boosted to a 75% STR mod, which we do really well at. RACC is naturally agi based, as are most WS, so we won't become supremely awesome through this, but we should see a pretty good damage boost through this adjustment along with the single wielders.

[Asraa]

My dream set up would SAM mythic occ. att. 2-3 times and yoichinoyumi.

[Mirage]

My dream set up would SAM mythic occ. att. 2-3 times and yoichinoyumi.

OA2-3 is only active if you use the WS at 300TP

[Delvish]

Good to see I am not alone in this regard.

Yoichi-bow has always been sort of a dream of mine that I would probably take up again once I get back into Dynamis.

I would however really like to emphasise the magian bows again. Gandiva would be awesome of course, as would its retarded cousin for Jishnu's Radiance but understandable if that is out of the question. I'm still quite happy with Refulgent Arrow. Personally regarding reasonable bows, the fire based Bateleur or any of the Sparrowhawks would be much more up a Sam's alley. You'd see non-/rangers getting these trials too, if it meant extra STp or 9 more STR.

The problem with Sparrowhawk trials is again, they would be incompletable due to a lack of necessary WS.

[Hyden]

You'd see non-/rangers getting these trials too, if it meant extra STp or 9 more STR.

I'm guessing this is the main reason why ToM bows aren't available to non-RNGs. But it's not like it'd be anymore overpowered than any other dual wield options. Unless dual wield jobs were allowed to use bows too i guess... Idk, i really don't see the hurt in putting SAM on ToM bows too.

[Mayoyama]

I'm guessing this is the main reason why ToM bows aren't available to non-RNGs. But it's not like it'd be anymore overpowered than any other dual wield options. Unless dual wield jobs were allowed to use bows too i guess... Idk, i really don't see the hurt in putting SAM on ToM bows too.

Try telling that to the devs after pups made a HUGE thread about ToM animators with some stats on it (since pup cant access ANY ranged or ammo gear without gimping their ability to control the automaton..) only for the devs to say an outright no due to "balance" issues...

[Yawaru]

Personally I've never played around much with /RNG but I completely agree they should expand on it. They obviously had it in mind when they put RNG on the relic bow but never really developed it. I highly doubt they'd put SAM on RNG trials because they'd necessarily be on Gandiva as well. Not that I wouldn't LOVE Jishnu's Radiance on SAM but I don't see them doing that. A SAM with it's TPing abilities would be able to spam it constantly and stack the skillchain bonus damage on double light SCs. Again, would love to do it, but I'm pretty sure SE would see that as overpowered.

As far as not having Archery WS native to SAM, it doesn't make sense. Just look at all the jobs with C+ or lower skill and imagine taking their WS for those weapons away. If you're even remotely proficient in a weapon you should be able to use it regardless of the sub. I think models like Dagger WSs are better, you get some of the WS but not all of them, and you're missing some of the important ones for weakness procs. SAM should have Flaming Arrow, Piercing Arrow, Sidewinder, Empyreal Arrow and Refulgent Arrow natively, that gives them 2 of the 4 blue procs so it doesn't take the place of RNG but is still able to use a bow. And it's not like /RNG would be useless, you'd still get all the useful traits and JA like Accuracy bonus, sharpshot and barrage. Oh and scavenge, cause scavenge is cool right?

A bump in skill would be nice too but I think the weapon assortment is more of an issue. Plus it's not like being able to equip a bow with +9 STR would make or break the game, since people still need White Tathlum for their TP build which is more important than extra strength.

[Vandheer]

I just wanted to pitch in to help this point of view get noticed to benefit all fellow Samurai out there. ^^ Ever since the level raise from 75 I've been very curious why sam/rng has become so limited, or even why samurai and their ability to use archery is so limited. Samurai had access to the Relic bow Yoichinoyumi but since then we haven't gotten much to turn towards using archery as a viable part of samurai. There isn't much I can add to this thread that has not already been said but I agree with the previous suggestions made by Delvish, Hyden, and Yawaru.

Come on SE stop teasing us with Unkai Kote and let us get more usage out of Archery and Ranger Sub.

[DarkBass]

I Feel this is a viable request. With the game changing like it is now, sam with b- archery skill would be very appreciated along with having native archery ws selection. I'm still holding onto my insane amount or RACC gear just in case a new era of sam using bow(without Yoichinoyumi) is brought back.

[Delvish]

I Feel this is a viable request. With the game changing like it is now, sam with b- archery skill would be very appreciated along with having native archery ws selection. I'm still holding onto my insane amount or RACC gear just in case a new era of sam using bow(without Yoichinoyumi) is brought back.

Right there with you. I've got my /rng gear as good as it would've gotten, sans yoichibow and I've been working on keeping it up to date with recent gear additions (unkai kote, light belt, twilight gear). Racc+ was really high (90+) and I was still missing with capped and merited skill, so higher skill is quite necessary. Ontop of that though, our selection of RAtt gear has been sorely limited. That too should look into expansion.