Current Limit Break Quest *95*

[xbobx]

FYI, all those items are the same items used for the job emote quests. Some are a pain in the butt, picture 50 people trying to farm 15 mobs for Eastern paper which has a 5% drop rate.

Why doesn't SE ever learn from their mistakes? So prepare for competition, luckily I picked up 9 of the items last night just incase, not going to get pissed off trying to claim a yagado like it was a 24 hour pop hnm.

[MDenham]

FYI, all those items are the same items used for the job emote quests.

Not all of them are; some of them are for the Moogle addon's first quest, the Dangruf stone is used for one Bastok quest and (for some people) unlocking BLU...

It really does look like it's "one random Ex item" for that, and you're probably going to get stuck with something really obscure that you don't have.

[xbobx]

Maybe they will smarten up and just make it merits and the crests, what is their issue and need to make people run all over the place for some random item just to create a time sink.

I would be fine just get rid of the limit quest, you log on, you can go higher, there really is no need to keep doing these quests. It made some sense in the past, it was part of the learning process of your job, moving you around the area, etc from 50-75, i just don't see the point now unless it is just to waste your time.

[Rearden]

lol@BG Wiki being a copy of anything

[Korpg]

lol@BG Wiki being a copy of anything

Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that BG is the first source for everything in this game?

[Yugl]

Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that BG is the first source for everything in this game?

Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

[Korpg]

Nevermind that BG-wiki preceeded GE.

I know that, but Wiki preceded BG wiki. And is more used also.

Like I said, the majority of the information came from wiki, and the newer content can be found on both GE and BG. I use GE mostly because it has most of the information from wiki, and some of the useful stuff from BG (a combination of both, instead of having to check 2 different websites for different information). But GE is also self-correcting, so it would be more accurate than the limited viewpoints of BG.

Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

What is wiki anyway, besides a compilation of sources of information into one simple to use website. Are you going to start accusing all wikis of "stealing" information then? Wikis are great places to start looking for information and can expand on that information based on sources (FFXI wiki doesn't really need sources since most of the information there can be verified on the game, not from other sources of information (forums), you can do the missions and battlefields from the information on the wiki instead of having to look at pointless jabber (BG, KI, FFXIAH) for pages on end to get the little jewel of information those websites offer on occasion).

It is funny to claim knowledge on a game. There is no real plagiarism because all aspects of your knowledge is based on a recreation activity and not on actual important information you would need to make real decisions of your life. But keep fighting for the right to say that you came up with that aspect of how to swing an axe on an online game.

[Yugl]

What is wiki anyway, besides a compilation of sources of information into one simple to use website. Are you going to start accusing all wikis of "stealing" information then? Wikis are great places to start looking for information and can expand on that information based on sources (FFXI wiki doesn't really need sources since most of the information there can be verified on the game, not from other sources of information (forums), you can do the missions and battlefields from the information on the wiki instead of having to look at pointless jabber (BG, KI, FFXIAH) for pages on end to get the little jewel of information those websites offer on occasion).

It is funny to claim knowledge on a game. There is no real plagiarism because all aspects of your knowledge is based on a recreation activity and not on actual important information you would need to make real decisions of your life. But keep fighting for the right to say that you came up with that aspect of how to swing an axe on an online game.

1. Compilations of sources use citations. If they do not, they are stealing intangible property.
2. Citation aren't just for verification. Nor do they mean the information written is correct.
3. Guides are different from mechanics. I would hope you know this by now.
4. Much of Wiki's mission derives from that "pointless jabber." You wouldn't know this though since GE doesn't cite stuff.

Edit: Wait, people think much more discussion is going to come out of a thread about a preexisting limit break quest? Really?

[Byrth]

Honestly, work picked up and I haven't looked for plagiarism in months. It looks like it's going to shake down like this:
BGwiki - Information on new stuff, mathy things, etc. Added benefit of having a fairly spartan layout and no ads.
Wikia - Will have the bulk of the user-submitted comments, things like BCNM testimonies or where to go for Magian trials.
GE - I'm not sure. At the moment it's almost exclusively information ripped from wikia or bgwiki, with the same number of ads and goofy layout as wikia. The only advantage it has over wikia is active moderation, so the only reason for people to use this is if the trolling on ffxiclopedia gets so bad that it becomes unusable.

I'd like to dream people may someday edit BGwiki the way they edit wikia, but fact of the matter is that Wikia is what the majority of FFXI users know and use, and BGwiki has spare exposure by comparison. It's not really the 1000+ edit members that bgwiki lacks as much as the 10 edit members.

Still, it's fun for me to go through and rework things like job abilities , job traits , and game mechanics to see what we know and what we don't. I'm having fun when I have time to invest in it, so I'm more than happy to keep updating bgwiki. Be forewarned, some of it (like the latter half of the trait alphabet) is still a work in progress. The test server is a *very* fun tool for stuff like this though.

[Gokku]

op is updated with orcish axe. ill update links to all the items when im fully awake.

@lol pchan

and omg you guys and the tags.