Current Limit Break Quest *95*

[cidbahamut]

OMG KYUBEY IN A TARU o.O

Madoka reference ftw

That actually pissed me off quite a bit.

[Komori]

Aha. This quest was too easy, my needed item was Dhalmel Saliva and only 18 other people were in the zone. Switched to 90 THF and got it on the third kill. This was easier than 85 > 90.

[Alhanelem]

If I go to Wikipedia and use an article as a source in a paper, I cite the wikipedia article as the source. I don't list every reference cited in the wikipedia article. (Not saying that wikipedia makes the best source, it's just an example. The same thing happens when I read a book- I cite that book as the source, not the book's sources)

[Ank]

No one would accept wiki as a source.

[Alhanelem]

No one would accept wiki as a source.

Lots of instructors do. Others accept it as long as it isn't your only source. Some instructors consider it to be too unreliable and don't allow it. That's all beside the point though, it's just an example as I said.

[cidbahamut]

Lots of instructors do.

Those instructors are terrible then. The standard is to not allow wiki but encourage students to use it as a starting point and dig through the sources the wiki article cites.

[Greatguardian]

This thread is a secondary source with supplementary primary sources in the form of the respondees. The original primary source was BG, however all of the links in the OP are broken so I'd leave that to Gokku to fix.

Instructors should not allow citing of Wikipedia for facts because Wikipedia is a secondary source. When citing opinions, or analysis, secondary sources are acceptable. When citing raw data or facts, primary sources are required. In this case, we are not looking at someone's analysis or critique on the quest details, but at the quest details themselves, which require the citing of a primary source.

Example: Kinematics creates a MNK DPS spreadsheet on Alla. Cream Soda reposts said spreadsheet on FFXIAH, citing Kinematics original work. A third poster would not cite Cream Soda, because he is a secondary source. They would cite Kinematics, even if they linked to the FFXIAH thread, because he was the primary source of the work.

It doesn't matter how long the chain is, the original author always maintains the credit for their material.

[Alhanelem]

Those instructors are terrible then. The standard is to not allow wiki but encourage students to use it as a starting point and dig through the sources the wiki article cites.

There is no standard. It's up to the individual instructor and the demands of the particular assignment. Those instructors are not necessarily "terrible." You can always go to the sources cited by the wikipedia article and use those directly if the assignement or instructor's policies demand it.

This thread is a secondary source with supplementary primary sources in the form of the respondees

OK, you got me there.

I'm not going to be held responsible for "crapping up" another thread. I'm not going to say anything further.

[Ank]

Well as an example its great, I don't know what kind of instructors you have, but none of mine would ever accept wiki as a source. Of course you're supposed to have multiple sources as well, for papers and such. But the point really is: wiki is a collection of knowledge with the better articles being well sourced, if I used wiki to find information it is the sources that I would use in a paper, not wiki itself. Which is the point so and so tried to argue, not that I'm against or arguing against goku being listed as a source per se.

[Alhanelem]

OK, one last thing:
Wikipedia was much younger when I went to school, and I concede rules may be very different now than when I went through. Even if we weren't allowed to specifically use it as a cited source, we were encouraged to use it as a means to find other sources. I still feel it's appropriate and acceptable in this case for me to cite Gokku given that he did some of the work by collecting information that came from other users in the thread as well as outside sources.