Anyone try Apoc/RR/SS?

[Karbuncle]

Is someone still seriously recommending Tactical Processor after SE already told us what it does? Its complete crap. The Overload risk is not worth it checking to Silena you once more per minute. Its simply not worth wasting a spot on.

Oh and Xio, I hear what you're saying, But you're still very wrong. 5tp/tic Regain is not worth a 12% Slow on its own, let alone considering the Alternative is 15% Triple Attack.

No one here is suggestion you change your playstyle, But the advice you are giving is bad. No PUP serious about DD'ing should put on a Atma with 12%Slow. That significantly hurts you and your pet.

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A Bit more on Topic, as for Atma combos for PUP, I generally use RR/GH/Apoc, or sometimes VV/RR/Apoc. RR/SS/Apoc for the lulz occasionally. But i think VV/RR/Apoc is my favorite for DD. RR/GH/Apoc being very close second.

[xiozen]

Is someone still seriously recommending Tactical Processor after SE already told us what it does? Its complete crap. The Overload risk is not worth it checking to Silena you once more per minute. Its simply not worth wasting a spot on.

Oh and Xio, I hear what you're saying, But you're still very wrong. 5tp/tic Regain is not worth a 12% Slow on its own, let alone considering the Alternative is 15% Triple Attack.

No one here is suggestion you change your playstyle, But the advice you are giving is bad. No PUP serious about DD'ing should put on a Atma with 12%Slow. That significantly hurts you and your pet.

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A Bit more on Topic, as for Atma combos for PUP, I generally use RR/GH/Apoc, or sometimes VV/RR/Apoc. RR/SS/Apoc for the lulz occasionally. But i think VV/RR/Apoc is my favorite for DD. RR/GH/Apoc being very close second.

I've read a lot of your posts Karb, I respect your opinion^^

Question regarding your usage of RR/GH/Apoc, what kind of gear do you use for this set-up? and what Automaton do you generally rely on when you do this? soulsoother? or another set-up?

[Karbuncle]

Question regarding your usage of RR/GH/Apoc, what kind of gear do you use for this set-up?

My PUP gear is terribly incomplete, actually. But as it stands i use...

Taipain+2(Fire) - Animator -
+1 Head - Tierc(orEmp) Brutal - Aesir
Goliard - Relic/Emp+1 - Rajas - Epona's
Pantin - Twilight - +2 legs - Aurore

What i need is

+2 Head/Body/Hands.
Usukane or Enkidu Feet

I don't play as much often, But thats my current TP set. Far from perfect. My WS set is

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/230000

Things not changed same as above. This one, again far from perfect. I don't play PUP often...

and what Automaton do you generally rely on when you do this? soulsoother? or another set-up?

I usually do things in groups, So i tend to use the Valoredge Frame or Ranger Frame. but generally ValorEdge. I don't have to worry too much about cures in this situation (Since i generally have a WHM)

[xiozen]

My PUP gear is terribly incomplete, actually. But as it stands i use...

Taipain+2(Fire) - Animator -
+1 Head - Tierc(orEmp) Brutal - Aesir
Goliard - Relic/Emp+1 - Rajas - Epona's
Pantin - Twilight - +2 legs - Aurore

What i need is

+2 Head/Body/Hands.
Usukane or Enkidu Feet

I don't play as much often, But thats my current TP set. Far from perfect. My WS set is

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/230000

Things not changed same as above. This one, again far from perfect. I don't play PUP often...



I usually do things in groups, So i tend to use the Valoredge Frame or Ranger Frame. but generally ValorEdge. I don't have to worry too much about cures in this situation (Since i generally have a WHM)

Thanks--for the response.

It's my main, so I thought I'd share as well:

My Evasion set is : http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/230001 (this works wonders for me /nin or /dnc)

And my Weapon skill set is: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/230003 (impressive numbers come from this for me)

I still need to get the +2 head, 4 items shy...but the Anwig w/ Weapon Skill Accuracy +15 works well as a macro item. I play pup as much as I can... can't wait to continue my work towards the Kenkonken. /cheers!

[Vivik]

And my Weapon skill set is: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/230003 (impressive numbers come from this for me)

According to your equip history you don't have most of that +2 gear.

[xiozen]

According to your equip history you don't have most of that +2 gear.

I just requeued for update... I have it all. Keep checking/reloading.. it'll update... FFXIAH.com takes some time to update...shouldn't be too long though.

I'm not a liar

[Vivik]

I just requeued for update... I have it all. Keep checking/reloading.. it'll update... FFXIAH.com takes some time to update...shouldn't be too long though.

I'm not a liar

Thanks for clearing that up. Now can you provide us with some data to backup you SD usage? "Works for me" doesn't work for anyone but you.

[Dfoley]

I finally figured out what this reminds me of.

A scientist arguing evolution with a devout religious person.

• Scientist presents indisputable facts/equations/proof.
• Religious zealot argues its not fact, just manipulated assumptions to fit a hypothesis
• Scientist rips his hair out trying to explain something way too complex.
• Religious zealot smiles with a troll-face because they know the scientist is right and they cant win a logical argument so they make fake logic.
• Scientist makes troll face.

Lets be honest, its his way of playing, and no matter how many people give evidence, facts, examples of how its not the best way to DD and in fact there are other, far superior options, he will just say that we are being brain washed by logic and reason and for some reason he is the only one to see the truth.

[Kristal]

I finally figured out what this reminds me of.

A scientist arguing evolution with a devout religious person.

• Scientist presents indisputable facts/equations/proof.
• Religious zealot argues its not fact, just manipulated assumptions to fit a hypothesis
• Scientist rips his hair out trying to explain something way too complex.
• Religious zealot smiles with a troll-face because they know the scientist is right and they cant win a logical argument so they make fake logic.
• Scientist makes troll face.

This is why scientists don't debate with creationists in the first place.


Oh, and I've seen it a few times in this discussion, but slow is not cumulative when the atma effects both master and pet. 15% slow is not a 30% DPS reduction just because it affects both master and pet. (It might equate to 30% after all other effects are taken into consideration, but that would be a coincidence.)

[Dfoley]

This is why scientists don't debate with creationists in the first place.


Oh, and I've seen it a few times in this discussion, but slow is not cumulative when the atma effects both master and pet. 15% slow is not a 30% DPS reduction just because it affects both master and pet. (It might equate to 30% after all other effects are taken into consideration, but that would be a coincidence.)

Well for 1 they do argue it. At my university, every year for the last 20 years they have invited religious people and had top biology/genetic/biochem professor to come and play devils advocate. It is quite entertaining.

And i like how people keep quoting my 30% and saying it is 30, it isnt 30, its more then 30, its less then 30. Bottom line is you and your pet are each do 15% less attacks, so its probably closer to a 25% total loss in dps since pet DD is only about 30-40% of our total. However the point was that its more then a 15% loss.