Anyone try Apoc/RR/SS?

[Vivik]

I just requeued for update... I have it all. Keep checking/reloading.. it'll update... FFXIAH.com takes some time to update...shouldn't be too long though.

I'm not a liar

Thanks for clearing that up. Now can you provide us with some data to backup you SD usage? "Works for me" doesn't work for anyone but you.

[xiozen]

Thanks for clearing that up. Now can you provide us with some data to backup you SD usage? "Works for me" doesn't work for anyone but you.

That I cannot do... I can only speak from my experience; if you require some data in order to help you play the game; I'm not the person to request that from... but from what I've seen lately, there's absolutely no shortage of folks ready and willing to fudge the numbers and make assumptions about the FFXI data, that may work well for you and others looking for such proof and evidence to learn various ways in which to play the job.

I apologize I cannot help you with regards to your request.

[Vivik]

That I cannot do...

Yeah, I kinda figured you couldn't.

[TybudX]

And so another KingFury is born.

edit - So my post is somewhat on topic.
Freedom of speech may be in your constitution, but American civil liberties are not covered by SE's forum guidelines. As you can clearly see from my sig speaking out of turn only goes so far.

[Dfoley]

Xiozen has no concept of math, he is much happier playing his way even if it means is far inferior and the definition of lolpop that people used for years.

I dont even want math/proof/parses, just a simple example.

You claim to have experience and be a pup main (my first job to 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, and 90), so give me an example of what tactical processor enhances. In all your experience surely you can come up with a single, example.

Other wise keep trolling, and I will keep shooting down all the bad information you try to spread as fact.

[SpankWustler]

I really appreciate you taking such a vested interest but your example isn't mathematical proof...

You do realize all things related to other atma which would be replace Sea Daughter were purposefully left out of Theytak's actual equations about gained weapon-skills and lost attack rounds, right? All assumptions are only made in regards to the conclusion, well after the actual math equations.

The conditions used for the equations are totally unrelated to anything other than "this person knows which trousers to wear in a party situation and how not to wear those trousers on his or her face". Also, Theytak is being very kind to Atma of the Sea Daughter by not adding the condition that a White Mage or the like is present to cast Haste.

Feel free to disagree with her conclusion, but the equation is what it is and those numbers are pretty much concrete.

[xiozen]

Xiozen has no concept of math, he is much happier playing his way even if it means is far inferior and the definition of lolpop that people used for years.

I dont even want math/proof/parses, just a simple example.

You claim to have experience and be a pup main (my first job to 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, and 90), so give me an example of what tactical processor enhances. In all your experience surely you can come up with a single, example.

Other wise keep trolling, and I will keep shooting down all the bad information you try to spread as fact.

I never once told you to stop posting... I may not think your information is always on point, but I won't say you are spreading bad information (that becomes judgmental)... take this statement as you will, but information is information... it is up to the person receiving that information and what he/she does with it that determines its usefulness^^

[xiozen]

You do realize all things related to other atma which would be replace Sea Daughter were purposefully left out of Theytak's actual equations about gained weapon-skills and lost attack rounds, right? All assumptions are only made in regards to the conclusion, well after the actual math equations.

The conditions used for the equations are totally unrelated to anything other than "this person knows which trousers to wear in a party situation and how not to wear those trousers on his or her face". Also, Theytak is being very kind to Atma of the Sea Daughter by not adding the condition that a White Mage or the like is present to cast Haste.

Feel free to disagree with her conclusion, but the equation is what it is and those numbers are pretty much concrete.

Spoken like a true follower of the cause^^ /applaud

[SpankWustler]

Spoken like a true follower of the cause^^ /applaud

It's fine if you disagree with me, and I understand your attitude given the number of overt personal attacks in this thread, but I have this funny feeling that you didn't even bother reading my post.

So, I'll summarize. All of the assumptions to which you object come after the equation for Sea Daughter's effects. Trading 20~25 attacks for 3~4 weapon-skills over the course of five minutes is what it is. The only condition for these numbers is that you have a decent TP set.

[Insaniac]

Its actually quite worse then just 15% less damage.

When you factor in that its 'gear' haste, and that it slows your pet as well your looking at base line 30% less damage. And no ammount of epeen ws will compensate for that.

Actually it's EVEN worse than that. The benefit of haste isn't linear so depending on how much haste you have 15% slow is probably translating into around a 45-50% decrease in DPS not even including the puppet. Using no atma at all would be better than using sea daughter.