Anyone try Apoc/RR/SS?

[xiozen]

In response to Zhronne, very lengthy post... and I'll just end it here with reiterating my position--I'm not asking for confirmation--I don't need any, really I don't. But nevertheless I do (believe it or not) appreciate seeing others opinions, and we all have a way to play. So I'll leave it at that...and again, thx for the feedback, much appreciated. ^.^

[Zhronne]

Xiozen nobody says you have to change your playstyle, your atmas, your gear, your macros.
I hate when people do that to me, especially when I didn't ask for advice. I really hate it.
I'm one of the silliest players around and well renokwn for doing silly and stupid things (wanna know one of the many? Back at 75 I was TPing in full Usu on my sam despite having Haidate, Dusk and lots more!).

I agree and concur that everybody should be more than free to play however they sees fit. I hate that kind of elitism, especially because the majority of those people don't even understand what they're saying, they're just blindly following somebody else, and with this I agree with what you' were saying earlier.

But the point here is spreading wrong information and refusing to admit things. If you were to say "It's ok I know this and I know that but I prefer to keep playing this way because XXX" there would be no problem at all on my side. The reason XXX could be any and trust me I wouldn't judge you.
The problem here is kinda different though, since you're just being touchy, proud and stubborn.
Just wanted to say that nobody here, or at least not me, wanted to make you change your ways. It was rather an attempt to raise your awarness about something, but so far you returned each attempt to the sender, so I guess that's a clear signal of something.

What can I say in the end, sorry we disturbed you?

[xiozen]

But the point here is spreading wrong information and refusing to admit things. If you were to say "It's ok I know this and I know that but I prefer to keep playing this way because XXX" there would be no problem at all on my side. The reason XXX could be any and trust me I wouldn't judge you.
The problem here is kinda different though, since you're just being touchy, proud and stubborn.
Just wanted to say that nobody here, or at least not me, wanted to make you change your ways. It was rather an attempt to raise your awarness about something, but so far you returned each attempt to the sender, so I guess that's a clear signal of something.

What can I say in the end, sorry we disturbed you?

As to the above quote, I can really say the same thing about everyone on this post, including you... so at this point, it's kinda "meh"..to me. ^^ I'm sure there are plenty of other topics to discuss right about now. I'm over it.

[Jar]

dude Zhronne if you speak to the trolls or they win it's like rule #14

[Dfoley]

Sadly i wish he was a troll, at least it would all make sense

1) recomends to every pup to use tactical processor
2) offers nor proof or evidence to why or what it does
3) says theres a difference between automaton behavior with different animators
4) offers no proof/evidence
5) says animator affect stacks with tactical processor
6) no proof or evidence
7) says SD is a dd atma, discounts slow as negligible, calls 15% TA minor.

I mean its very clear the tendency to pass on bad information, but i really dont think hes trolling, just very, very very uneducated about game mechanics

[TimeMage]

Not to mention the dubious choices of weapon (DA H2H) and the piling on eva gear when most of the time it takes much, much less eva to cap it.

[Jar]

Not to mention the dubious choices of weapon (DA H2H) and the piling on eva gear when most of the time it takes much, much less eva to cap it.

i have a full EVA build i macro in like PDT for TP moves that are physical <.< because it works from what i've seen but i have a mix set(haste/eva) i use for normal eva tanking <.<

[xiozen]

Sadly i wish he was a troll, at least it would all make sense

1) recomends to every pup to use tactical processor
2) offers nor proof or evidence to why or what it does
3) says theres a difference between automaton behavior with different animators
4) offers no proof/evidence
5) says animator affect stacks with tactical processor
6) no proof or evidence
7) says SD is a dd atma, discounts slow as negligible, calls 15% TA minor.

I mean its very clear the tendency to pass on bad information, but i really dont think hes trolling, just very, very very uneducated about game mechanics

1) Absolutely-- and let me add, combine this with the Optic Fiber attachment
2) By doing what I ask, the proof is in the pudding You'll experience it for yourself.
3) There is a HUGE difference between animators... If you need proof.../sigh... equip the level 1 animator and use a non-mage frame for better results, fight colibri (use attachments that don't rely on magic recast) but focus on job ability related actions... use a stop watch or other mechanism for counting secs... count use the appropriate maneuvers to activate the abilities associated with the attachments you have on your automaton... note the difference, between each specific job related action (not necessarily melee swings)... do this for about 10-15 mins. Then swap out either +1 version or Deluxe version... I haven't done this with the Turbo, but the results should be the same. Why give you something if you already possess it within yourselves to recreate :P
4) See #3
5) see #1 lol
6) see previous numbers... /sigh
7) edit...never called TA 15%.... i stated that the triple attack was small and that the slow given by SD was more like 12% and not 15%, and yes it is negligible when you use a multi-weapon, and your pet has a +7 tp regain effect (if you liked using Burts, using this atma combined with VV, your automaton will most likely spam it's tp move, or if you have an inhibitor attached, you'll be able to do wonders setting up a mob for major pain).

See, unlike a lot of folks that profess to be PUP mains... I actually am. So all this is based on my experience, not some random spreadsheet with fudged formulas.

If you don't like what I say, ignore it. But I'm sharing my experiences... I love that key word: Experience^^

PS: I apologize in advance for my uneducated game mechanics... but last time I checked, "Freedom of Speech" was a constitutional right You use it, well so can I.

/cheers

[xiozen]

Not to mention the dubious choices of weapon (DA H2H) and the piling on eva gear when most of the time it takes much, much less eva to cap it.

I wasn't gonna respond...but i have no choice... dubious choice of weapon DA H2H? Do you own a pair? Look at the gear we have, how much of it gives Double Attack? Actually, let me back up, I assumed a H2H job would love to Double Attack or even Triple Attack or better yet, Quadruple Attack... I do! A LOT!... initially I created and used the OccAttck 2-4...(suprised...? That weapon WAS freakin' the bomb for continues Stringing Pummels... (stacked on subtle blow to minimize tp gain on the mob worked fairly well)... now, as player level increased, the +dmg vers Double Attck became more of an enticement--so I elected to re-do the trials and now I own a weapon that I absolutely love. I don't know about you but I have a life outside of Final Fantasy and until I get the ultimate weapon for PUP I desire, Kenkonken, I'll settle for these--multi-hit, excellent dmg (+30 and soon to be +33 with update), stacks with Double attack from gear... combined with evasion set, combined with TP regain on both master and automaton... (I macro in Cirque +2 for weapon skill)... so yea... I enjoy the job a lot. So if it's dubious to you, then we have different play styles... pray tell...what is your play style on pup?

[Karbuncle]

Is someone still seriously recommending Tactical Processor after SE already told us what it does? Its complete crap. The Overload risk is not worth it checking to Silena you once more per minute. Its simply not worth wasting a spot on.

Oh and Xio, I hear what you're saying, But you're still very wrong. 5tp/tic Regain is not worth a 12% Slow on its own, let alone considering the Alternative is 15% Triple Attack.

No one here is suggestion you change your playstyle, But the advice you are giving is bad. No PUP serious about DD'ing should put on a Atma with 12%Slow. That significantly hurts you and your pet.

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A Bit more on Topic, as for Atma combos for PUP, I generally use RR/GH/Apoc, or sometimes VV/RR/Apoc. RR/SS/Apoc for the lulz occasionally. But i think VV/RR/Apoc is my favorite for DD. RR/GH/Apoc being very close second.