[Suggestion] Give procs to all classes!

[Neonii]

I must be wired differently from the rest of the playerbase. Because I actually enjoy whm. And when friends and ls members want me to come whm to events, I know it's because they trust me to play the job to the best of my ability. They think I do a good job as whm and knowing that makes me happy and I do my very best to not let them down. I have more than one empyrean weapon and I can proc any red, yellow or blue in abyssea, but I still end up as whm most of the time, and that's fine. I'm secretly a little bit proud that my friends think I'm a good whm. So yeah, guess I'm weird eh? :/

Edit: kinda posted this before I finished lol.
Anyway, what I meant to say is nobody is forcing anyone to level a job they don't like. But for one - how do you know you won't like it until you've tried it? Being lvl 20 whm in a Qufim level sync party isn't quite the same as duoing Isgebind war/sam and whm. As an example. I managed to get blm to lvl 57 well before abyssea was introduced. But I hated it... However, I leeched to around 75 and then joined normal abyssea exp parties. And 90 blm is fun - in Abyssea at least!

Also, those that are so against lvling and playing a job you don't like (or think you don't like) - wouldn't you lvl that job to help out your ls/lowman group to be more efficient?

I'm really happy for you that you get to play the game on a job that you enjoy that's what games are supposed to be about. Now to answer your question for me in particular it's not so much that i'm against leveling an alternate job to play and I have. But it's kinda like second best. If I go for my favorite ice cream and the shop is out sure i'll try another flavor but its not the same. Why settle for second best when you could do something you really love? I like to focus on and perfect a main and that's kinda hard when that main is smn without reliable procs. Plus working two jobs in rl it's hard to spread my time/focus among several mains and any one of them be outstanding.

[Tamoa]

I'm really happy for you that you get to play the game on a job that you enjoy that's what games are supposed to be about. Now to answer your question for me in particular it's not so much that i'm against leveling an alternate job to play and I have. But it's kinda like second best. If I go for my favorite ice cream and the shop is out sure i'll try another flavor but its not the same. Why settle for second best when you could do something you really love? I like to focus on and perfect a main and that's kinda hard when that main is smn without reliable procs. Plus working two jobs in rl it's hard to spread my time/focus among several mains and any one of them be outstanding.

Don't get me wrong, I like whm and I have no problem going whm to events - however I like my war, sam and nin more! lol

[Solonuke]

I can see where they were going with the proc system since every job has access to something that can help out on drop rates. Thanks to the proc system and TH, I'm playing jobs such as WAR and WHM instead of DNC DRK SAM and RDM. Mobs you want to kill with blue proc is often reserved to 22:00 to 06:00 since MNK gets 14/15 blunt procs while WHM can cover the last one.

I like Abyssea due to its casual friendliness where you don't need an army to get stuff done, it's a relief from the old days that involved long lines for special items and most of the drama around that seems to be gone. For me Voidwatch is a step backwards as it uses old zones, same models and two linkshells where one of them isn't interested at all while the other one never goes when I'm on. Whether or not the boss fights are challenging or not is irrelevant for me as its content I really won't see much of. I'm somewhat dreading the thought of Voidwatch becoming popular and finding help to get all 3 of the tier 4 NMs killed just so I can progress to relevant monsters and items.

So for the time being I'm stuck with Abyssea and the proc system really favors certain jobs over others.

[Soulrunner]

This is a really bad idea, it's already hard enough to convince 4 people to come out and cover yellow much worse to get a red team and a blue team. Basically the more people involved in most abyssean fights the longer and worse off the fight is. But I agree only a few classes of use, my ls doesn't even bring Rdm to events anymore. We don't have a bard in the ls someone can sub bard and do everything we need a bard to do. A fix is not required to remedy this, an expansion is.

[Mirage]

Well, what I think is the worst about these procs is that there is always one single spell that is the right proc (in each category). What if several spells could be potential proccers on the same mob, and what if even skillchains could be part of these? I think it would be better if instead of a blm/brd being almost required to cover a decent amount of procs is pretty ridiculous. What if the "proccing spells" were changed to be lower level ones, so that they could be gotten from subs more easily?

Imagine an abyssea where you could come with a sam/war, drk/nin, and and like rdm/brd and still cover 80% of possible grellows, but at the same time, whm, blu/sch and war/nin would also cover about the same amount of procs?.

Now don't ask me to balance it all, i can't do all of SEs work after all. They should be able to work out some way to let more job combinations cover a larger amount of procs, without making the current most desired jobs even more desired.

[Juri_Licious]

Just because jobs can be easily leveled, does not mean people want to play those jobs and find them fun.

Some people seem to forget this is a game we're playing, and we want it to be enjoyable.

Thank you, this is exactly the thing here.

It's like what's the point in playing my job if I have to play other jobs to get my specific job equipment?
That's just dumb to me, no matter how I look at it.

It's also like, you pick a job at the start because you like it. Why should I be force to play something I don't like?

[Neonii]

Thank you, this is exactly the thing here.

It's like what's the point in playing my job if I have to play other jobs to get my specific job equipment?
That's just dumb to me, no matter how I look at it.

It's also like, you pick a job at the start because you like it. Why should I be force to play something I don't like?

I agree with this especially for casual players with limited play time. When I started playing ffx1 around two years ago I spent over a year leveling smn before I even realized it didn't offer much for the end game. My focus was mostly on xp expecting wonderful fun later after putting so much investment into my character (my dues). I can say that being forced to level alternative jobs detracts from the experience of having a main to focus your energy on. Also, it detracts from learning a job like the back of one's hand.

It comes down to if a person is motivated to play to be efficient or to have fun (can do both). I tend to favor fun but game favors efficiency. The fun orientated folks deserve a few breaks also namely the ability to proc on favorite jobs. I'd venture to guess that efficiency is fun for some folks, but the game should accommodate both. Shutting the fun jobs out of Abyssea in favor of Voidwatch don't count because imo Abyssea is very significant content to be left of of.

[scaevola]

Come on, guys. You've been on notice that WAR and BLM are really useful for proccing stuff in Abyssea for over a year now. It's old news, just like Abyssea itself. Surely you've had the opportunity in that time to level such a job.

Yes, the distribution of Abyssea procs is a little....weird, maybe, but after a year of running poor Chloris into the ground does anybody really want to set about reinventing the wheel and making this more complicated than it needs to be?

I'm not unsympathetic, but come on.

Really.

Well, what I think is the worst about these procs is that there is always one single spell that is the right proc (in each category). What if several spells could be potential proccers on the same mob, and what if even skillchains could be part of these?

This'd be better, though I would prefer to keep the current spread of procs and just have two potential weaknesses.

[Juri_Licious]

Come on, guys. You've been on notice that WAR and BLM are really useful for proccing stuff in Abyssea for over a year now. It's old news, just like Abyssea itself. Surely you've had the opportunity in that time to level such a job.

Just saying, not everyone has been playing over a year. And not everyone has the same resources, know how, classes or team for these said seals.