[Suggestion] Give procs to all classes!

[Saefinn]

The trouble seems to be on one hand you've got a limited selection of jobs people will choose for a party just because they useful enough for procs on the other you don't want Abyssea to be any easier than it already is. My suggestion is just one that people will hate because it would reduce your chances of proccing in a low man situation. If we gave, say, Quick Draw the ability to proc yellow, on top of your BLM/BRD, BLU/NIN and WHM you'll need invite a COR as well, then adding helices would mean inviting a SCH, then add ranged attacks to red and you'll be inviting a RNG alongside your WAR and NIN. As for blue, well MNK has it covered, I'm not sure if there's any blunt WS's that a MNK can't use.

So, such a solution is probably not worth it just to be more inclusive, especially as it'll probably piss a lot of people off. How do I get to play the jobs I enjoy playing? I just don't do shout parties anymore - I have occassionally gotten away with using jobs that people don't use to proc in shout parties, my general refusal to level a job because they're a 'necessity' does mean I'm at a disadvantage - except for blue procs, because I have a MNK but I stick with LS and friend groups and there's a lot more flexibility there. I go SCH to heal when fighting NMs that don't need somebody with Cure V (but we have people with WHM when we need it), I've been MNK to DD(not proc), DRK, COR for buffs and its ranged attack and even lolPUP. It doesn't always matter to proc, you may have to kill the NM more times, but normally I do stuff in 3 man groups, so it's not often we're gonna have all procs covered anyway.

And if you need to do atma runs or wins, usually shout groups don't care what job you're on if you're not going to lot on anything. If you're able to help out with the heals, it's great, same if you're able to help zerg the NM after procs have been done...if you have some procs, that's an added bonus.

[Juri_Licious]

I noticed a lot of people that don't want change are Abyssea proc jobs.

I doubt SE is going to overhaul the system but they might. Regardless, I don't care how it's done.

All jobs should be able to participate in Seal parties and not just the select "chosen ones" that were blessed by Altana, aka SE.

[Kimble]

Not this crap again.

[Tamoa]

But all jobs are able to participate in seal or +2 item parties. Only downside is, your party setup won't be optimal without blm, blu, whm, brd (or blm/brd), nin or /nin. People normally want these parties to be as efficient as possible with as few people as possible. I don't see a way of improving the abyssea proc system without either a) making abyssea even easier, or b) having to go back to full alliances to make sure procs are covered. Either that, or start giving other jobs access to spells which are currently job-specific and too high lvl to access them with said job as sub.

You want the proc system "fixed" but you don't care how it's done. I honestly think that when you are making a complaint like this, you should at least have a suggestion or 2 on how to fix it.

[Mirabelle]

If you switch Abyssea to an any job can proc then speed will determine who becomes preferable. Jobs with the best tp gain, fastest casting, most instant job abilities, will be preferred. Until an intelligent proc system that will assess your parties jobs and provide a proc for each member and also provide a higher chance at a seal/item for that member if he is successful, we are stuck with there always being some job preferences.

[Tamoa]

If you switch Abyssea to an any job can proc then speed will determine who becomes preferable. Jobs with the best tp gain, fastest casting, most instant job abilities, will be preferred. Until an intelligent proc system that will assess your parties jobs and provide a proc for each member and also provide a higher chance at a seal/item for that member if he is successful, we are stuck with there always being some job preferences.

A solution like that won't make the proc system better than it is now. It'll just open up for even more soloing/duoing since you'll be guaranteed to be able to proc. Who wants to share drops if you don't need to, right?

[Mirabelle]

A solution like that won't make the proc system better than it is now. It'll just open up for even more soloing/duoing since you'll be guaranteed to be able to proc. Who wants to share drops if you don't need to, right?

Because in my system, the more players, the more drops. So who wants to kill in 20 min solo what you can kill in a couple min with a 6 man party and get 6X the drops.

[MojoJojo]

I've bounced around between large egls abyssea farms and low-manning stuff with friends. Even with the larger group where procs are #1 there's still room for the other jobs. As mentioned before, if the person is good at their job (cor, sch,drg, smn, etc) they're still contributing greatly to the group, and hopefully will be welcomed. Every job offers a lot of goodies.

And low-manning, sure there are jobs more smiled upon, but doing that with friends, hopefully they're more open to FUN. Hopefully everyone can be flexible.

Lastly, i don't have a helluvalot of friends in this game, but i still don't rely on /sh jeuno pt's to accomplish anything. If some stranger is giving you grief over your job selection.....%^&* him.

[Mirage]

Actually, I expect SE to figure out how. They're the developers.

[Alhanelem]

Zerging stuff into the ground is part of what set XI into a nosedive in the first place.

Abyssea did nothing to solve that. Now it's just "wait for proc, then zerg into ground."