Test Server - Feedback on PUP

[Korpg]

No offense korpg but you have no clue about pup.

VE is 1/2 the DD of either the BLM or the RNG frame.

Please dont post outside of your area of experience.

VE has addition -pdt
Ve has shield block, shield mastery, has the most hp / natural defense. It is very clearly a tank. Its ws also do considerably less damage.

The only thing it lacks is proper preservation techniques and emnity control.

You are right, I don't know much about PUP, considering that my PUP is my lowest leveled job (23).

I wouldn't consider Valoredge as a PLD because it doesn't have preservation "spells" that is also similar to a WAR. I'm not stating that Valoredge automation is the end-all DD automation, but more of a combination of tanking and DDing ability. But since everyone is placing frames into jobs, except for Valoredge, then why not Valoredge? Even you put frames into job-descriptions.

I'm just pointing out my personal observations as to what Valoredge's "job" would be, from an outside viewpoint.

[Zhronne]

I don't really agree with the OP lol, I think I want none of those things.
In my very personal opinion, which probably isn't shared by many, what I want for PUP is:

• Stormwaker tweaking
  Currently its spell list stops at 75. Stormweaver should be something in between Spiritreaver (specialized in black magic) and Soulsoother (specialized in white magic). Some may seem it would be useless, but when you're soloing you don't really need CureVI, for such situations having less healing but more enfeebling/damagespells would be awesome, and that's the role that Stormwaker would fulfill perfectly if only they kept on updating its spells list even after level 75.
• Harlequin tweaking
  Similar thing to above
• Attachments reworking
  This is coming. Probably won't make it in the sept patch, but should be in the nov/dec one. I hope they're gonna reduce the elemental value of attachments or, alternatively, increase the elemental cap of each frame/head.
• Split of spell cooldowns
  Maybe not necessary for Harlequin, but it's really necessary for Spiritreaver and Soulsoother. Having cooldowns split (similar to what they did on Summoner with BP: Ward and BP: Rage) would allow automatons to have separate counters for two different things. For example absorb/drain/aspir/whatever on one counter and elemental nukes on the other for Spiritreaver. And similarly, buffs/debuffs/nas on one counter for Soulsoother, and heals/regen on the other. Would really solve a lot of issues
• AI Tweaking
  After them refusing to even awknowledge the AI issues of Automatons, they're finally doin something like fixing the mobs on which Automaton doesn't cast anything. Still, the "cast on mobs with MP who do not cast spells" issues should be a fix for all automatons, and not something that's done through the equipping of Scanner... Hope they'll change their minds
• WS filtering
  Maybe it's just me, but I personally cannot stand the current "select WS by dominant maneuver" system. It creates a lot of issues if you want to keep up 2 manouvers of an element that procs a sucky WS. Or take mage frames, Knockout it's actually nice but with the maneuvers you usually keep up on such frames you just get the lame Magic Mortar. I really wish they could add an option in the Automaton equipment menu
  Better ways to get attachments
  Call me a whiney bitch, but I still think The Ashu Talif ones are retarded. If they don't want to make them obtainable through other means they should at least ease up the pre-requisites to enter The Ashu Talif. And judging by the (small) amount of people doing the GoV ones, I think the 4 ones added in the last patch too should get new ways to be obtained, kinda like you could obtain the previous 4 ones in different ways (IS, ENM, GoV).

[Zemarin]

welll its not... Sorry to Disagree with you but Valor Edge is nothing like Warrior at all. Valoredge is like a PLD and so is it's Dmg... the only thing that makes it not like a real pld is that it cant heal itself aside from that one Weak WS. Which imo was so stupid.. they should of Made Harrelquin not cast anything and the Paladin able to cure itself. but Leave it to SE to do stuff that makes no sense what so ever. SE if said that it wanted Valoredge to be able to compete with a Paladin.. Without Cure its never going to do that so they might as well has just made that lil shield another sword and colored it black and called it a ninja.

[Zhronne]

welll its not... Sorry to Disagree with you but Valor Edge is nothing like Warrior at all. Valoredge is like a PLD and so is it's Dmg...

It was surely shaped and meant to be the "PLD version" of our Automatons, but there have been a few times since PUP release where Valoredge was our best DD automaton.
The new attachments coming out are enforcing even more the PLD-likeness idea, but I think I can see the point of what Korpg was trying to say. Can't say I agree, but I can definitely understand where it's coming from.

[Miera]

All I ask for is an AI fix. Maybe Some Automatons could use a few spells such as Addle and or Haste Maybe even protect and Shell but really, I just want it to stop trying to kill me.

Me: CURE MEEEEEE
Serenade: What's that? I see you are poisoned, let me cast Poisona on you.
Me: Nooo, I'm dying maaan!
Serenade: You want a Blindna too? Okay.
Me: Uh.. Well a cure would be nice..
Serenade: Ok your health seems to be low. How about a cure.
Miera has been defeated.

[Zhronne]

All I ask for is an AI fix. Maybe Some Automatons could use a few spells such as Addle and or Haste Maybe even protect and Shell but really, I just want it to stop trying to kill me.

That's what WE ALL want, but the thing is that creating a really SMART AI is very very difficult, it's especially more difficult when you have to improve an existing one instead than starting from scratch, when you have "PS2 limitations", when you're in an online environment such as an MMO with the additional variables of server-client latency and, last but not least, a very good AI would be particularly heavvy in terms of resources needed.

So while asking for a really smart AI would be the best, that would also be a bit too utopistic and naive from our side to demand.
I still stand by my position that it's much more realistic and reasonable to ask for something different, like spells timers split (would almost completely solve the -na > Cure issue) and other small tweaks.

[Krysten]

oh Miera the jokes weve had on leviathan!!

[Miera]

Indeed. I swear she's trolling me half the time. =\

[Deadvinta]

My PUP is 90, and I will agree that Valoredge is more DD than tank, but the Melee prowess in general have been left behind. Also, AI problems are easily fixed with the Tactical Processor. Since they've explained what it actually does, I've equipped it and my Automaton appears to heal at much more appropriate times, use the right spells (Scanner also helps), it'll weaponskill sooner, etc. Just trust the Tactical Processor a bit.

[Seha]

Honestly I don't want the VE to waste dd potential on curing itself.