Test Server - Feedback on PUP

[Malamasala]

I think PUP is fine.

+1 positive post.

[Korpg]

So Mala, your track record for Posts are now 966 Negative Posts and 1 Positive Post?

Still not that great.

[Saefinn]

Refresh - PUP has already got. Just buy the attachment, it will give you a really nice MP/Tick if you keep on top of your Maneuvers. Marrotte Claws give you 1mp/tick refresh on your auto (I use them outside Aby) and inside Aby, if Dark Maneuvers aren't enough, there's MM atma. My MP inside or outside of Aby doesn't fall below 300. A refresh spell isn't necessary.

Drain II - DRK exclusive, it sounds like to me you want PUP to take the uniqueness away from certain jobs, a DRK is a heavy DD that comprimises its own defense and health to deal heavy damage, but also drains energy froms it foes to use it against them. Drain II is a great spell to accommodate the role - whilst in Abyssea Drain II doesn't stack with Cruor buffs, its still useful to a DRK. BLM and the BLM auto are black magic users and with no native means of curing themselves Drain is there to help survivability, but Drain II serves a different purpose. Aspir and Aspir II are basically the same spell, hence it's not DRK exclusive. But what we call the 'BLM' frame isn't strictly a Black Mage, it's just a nickname, so it doesn't need sets of spells that belong to BLM either - though it does get Fire V and Blizzard V, so you auto can already nuke like a boss with the added DD of the PUP - I don't think we can expect more of the BLM frame's nuking ability.

Personally I'd rather see the focus go into something useful - like fixing the AI of the automatons.

[Krysten]

keeping dark up at all times isnt always effective or practical. yeah well Absorb INT is dark only too but pups have it :P

SMN have AM via Elementals so i dont buy the whole" it makes the job exclusive"

nothing given is nessary. skillup attachment, a cure potancy, these are not nessariy either nobody said they must have this... its a welcome touch at least in my eyes.


also im looking at going forward which means outside of abyssea.

[brayen]

Obviously Refresh would be for ther auto not us DORK, you ever even played pup???

lol you arnt very smart then. if you do need refresh then put your refresh attachments...pro-tip they both work if you put them on at same time derp!
also deavtivate > activate can help with mp!

Adding to this, the puppet casts 1 spell every x seconds...and you want it casting refresh...lol derp derp more

[Krysten]

moving on Valoredge still hasnt quite become "rivals a flesh and blood pld" just yet tho its getting alot better but without a good Hate attachment (strobe really is lacking imo) and without true heals still suffers but the shield stuff is really nice. pup still has alot suff it could add to

[Korpg]

moving on Valoredge still hasnt quite become "rivals a flesh and blood pld" just yet tho its getting alot better but without a good Hate attachment (strobe really is lacking imo) and without true heals still suffers but the shield stuff is really nice. pup still has alot suff it could add to

I think the reason behind that is because Valoredge is more like a WAR automation than a PLD automation. The goal of the Valoredge is to do a lot of damage, not really tank. Just because it has a shield doesn't mean it is a tank (WARs can equip shields and can still do a lot of damage).

[Dfoley]

I think the reason behind that is because Valoredge is more like a WAR automation than a PLD automation. The goal of the Valoredge is to do a lot of damage, not really tank. Just because it has a shield doesn't mean it is a tank (WARs can equip shields and can still do a lot of damage).

No offense korpg but you have no clue about pup.

VE is 1/2 the DD of either the BLM or the RNG frame.

Please dont post outside of your area of experience.

VE has addition -pdt
Ve has shield block, shield mastery, has the most hp / natural defense. It is very clearly a tank. Its ws also do considerably less damage.

The only thing it lacks is proper preservation techniques and emnity control.

[Zhronne]

I don't really agree with the OP lol, I think I want none of those things.
In my very personal opinion, which probably isn't shared by many, what I want for PUP is:

• Stormwaker tweaking
  Currently its spell list stops at 75. Stormweaver should be something in between Spiritreaver (specialized in black magic) and Soulsoother (specialized in white magic). Some may seem it would be useless, but when you're soloing you don't really need CureVI, for such situations having less healing but more enfeebling/damagespells would be awesome, and that's the role that Stormwaker would fulfill perfectly if only they kept on updating its spells list even after level 75.
• Harlequin tweaking
  Similar thing to above
• Attachments reworking
  This is coming. Probably won't make it in the sept patch, but should be in the nov/dec one. I hope they're gonna reduce the elemental value of attachments or, alternatively, increase the elemental cap of each frame/head.
• Split of spell cooldowns
  Maybe not necessary for Harlequin, but it's really necessary for Spiritreaver and Soulsoother. Having cooldowns split (similar to what they did on Summoner with BP: Ward and BP: Rage) would allow automatons to have separate counters for two different things. For example absorb/drain/aspir/whatever on one counter and elemental nukes on the other for Spiritreaver. And similarly, buffs/debuffs/nas on one counter for Soulsoother, and heals/regen on the other. Would really solve a lot of issues
• AI Tweaking
  After them refusing to even awknowledge the AI issues of Automatons, they're finally doin something like fixing the mobs on which Automaton doesn't cast anything. Still, the "cast on mobs with MP who do not cast spells" issues should be a fix for all automatons, and not something that's done through the equipping of Scanner... Hope they'll change their minds
• WS filtering
  Maybe it's just me, but I personally cannot stand the current "select WS by dominant maneuver" system. It creates a lot of issues if you want to keep up 2 manouvers of an element that procs a sucky WS. Or take mage frames, Knockout it's actually nice but with the maneuvers you usually keep up on such frames you just get the lame Magic Mortar. I really wish they could add an option in the Automaton equipment menu
  Better ways to get attachments
  Call me a whiney bitch, but I still think The Ashu Talif ones are retarded. If they don't want to make them obtainable through other means they should at least ease up the pre-requisites to enter The Ashu Talif. And judging by the (small) amount of people doing the GoV ones, I think the 4 ones added in the last patch too should get new ways to be obtained, kinda like you could obtain the previous 4 ones in different ways (IS, ENM, GoV).

[Korpg]

No offense korpg but you have no clue about pup.

VE is 1/2 the DD of either the BLM or the RNG frame.

Please dont post outside of your area of experience.

VE has addition -pdt
Ve has shield block, shield mastery, has the most hp / natural defense. It is very clearly a tank. Its ws also do considerably less damage.

The only thing it lacks is proper preservation techniques and emnity control.

You are right, I don't know much about PUP, considering that my PUP is my lowest leveled job (23).

I wouldn't consider Valoredge as a PLD because it doesn't have preservation "spells" that is also similar to a WAR. I'm not stating that Valoredge automation is the end-all DD automation, but more of a combination of tanking and DDing ability. But since everyone is placing frames into jobs, except for Valoredge, then why not Valoredge? Even you put frames into job-descriptions.

I'm just pointing out my personal observations as to what Valoredge's "job" would be, from an outside viewpoint.