Test Server - Feedback on PUP

[Telford]

Spiritreaver gets Tier IV AND Tier V nukes. Happy now?

Sorry wrote spiritreaver instead of stormwaker, so no I'm still not happy.

[Kojo]

I like the people who "wish PUP got Asuran Fists."

[Korpg]

Automations already got their own form of Refresh anyway....

[Malamasala]

I think PUP is fine.

+1 positive post.

[Korpg]

So Mala, your track record for Posts are now 966 Negative Posts and 1 Positive Post?

Still not that great.

[Saefinn]

Refresh - PUP has already got. Just buy the attachment, it will give you a really nice MP/Tick if you keep on top of your Maneuvers. Marrotte Claws give you 1mp/tick refresh on your auto (I use them outside Aby) and inside Aby, if Dark Maneuvers aren't enough, there's MM atma. My MP inside or outside of Aby doesn't fall below 300. A refresh spell isn't necessary.

Drain II - DRK exclusive, it sounds like to me you want PUP to take the uniqueness away from certain jobs, a DRK is a heavy DD that comprimises its own defense and health to deal heavy damage, but also drains energy froms it foes to use it against them. Drain II is a great spell to accommodate the role - whilst in Abyssea Drain II doesn't stack with Cruor buffs, its still useful to a DRK. BLM and the BLM auto are black magic users and with no native means of curing themselves Drain is there to help survivability, but Drain II serves a different purpose. Aspir and Aspir II are basically the same spell, hence it's not DRK exclusive. But what we call the 'BLM' frame isn't strictly a Black Mage, it's just a nickname, so it doesn't need sets of spells that belong to BLM either - though it does get Fire V and Blizzard V, so you auto can already nuke like a boss with the added DD of the PUP - I don't think we can expect more of the BLM frame's nuking ability.

Personally I'd rather see the focus go into something useful - like fixing the AI of the automatons.

[Krysten]

keeping dark up at all times isnt always effective or practical. yeah well Absorb INT is dark only too but pups have it :P

SMN have AM via Elementals so i dont buy the whole" it makes the job exclusive"

nothing given is nessary. skillup attachment, a cure potancy, these are not nessariy either nobody said they must have this... its a welcome touch at least in my eyes.


also im looking at going forward which means outside of abyssea.

[Krysten]

moving on Valoredge still hasnt quite become "rivals a flesh and blood pld" just yet tho its getting alot better but without a good Hate attachment (strobe really is lacking imo) and without true heals still suffers but the shield stuff is really nice. pup still has alot suff it could add to

[Korpg]

moving on Valoredge still hasnt quite become "rivals a flesh and blood pld" just yet tho its getting alot better but without a good Hate attachment (strobe really is lacking imo) and without true heals still suffers but the shield stuff is really nice. pup still has alot suff it could add to

I think the reason behind that is because Valoredge is more like a WAR automation than a PLD automation. The goal of the Valoredge is to do a lot of damage, not really tank. Just because it has a shield doesn't mean it is a tank (WARs can equip shields and can still do a lot of damage).

[Dfoley]

I think the reason behind that is because Valoredge is more like a WAR automation than a PLD automation. The goal of the Valoredge is to do a lot of damage, not really tank. Just because it has a shield doesn't mean it is a tank (WARs can equip shields and can still do a lot of damage).

No offense korpg but you have no clue about pup.

VE is 1/2 the DD of either the BLM or the RNG frame.

Please dont post outside of your area of experience.

VE has addition -pdt
Ve has shield block, shield mastery, has the most hp / natural defense. It is very clearly a tank. Its ws also do considerably less damage.

The only thing it lacks is proper preservation techniques and emnity control.