Defender

[Arcon]

And anyone who merited on war back in the Lolibri days will confirm that only 2/3 hits ever double attack.

I can't confirm this. I've had some memorable (though few) moments of 21 TP return on WS. And yes, I'm very sure I wasn't hit in that time, also, the damage I dealt pointed towards a 6-hit as well. I clearly remember a 2.3k WS on a Mamool Ja with 21 TP return. It's also happened in Dynamis recently with a 3.4k RR.

I don't know what caused it, I didn't have Store TP rolls and every normal melee hit I did gave 16.x TP (and I had the same Store TP in WS gear, Brutal + Rajas). A convenient explanation would be a threefold Double Attack. Or it was an exceptionally critical double hit when Conserve TP kicked in, to return this weird value. I'm not sure, but it's happened more than once, enough to cast a shadow of doubt on that statement.

Also, assuming you had capped accuracy and full Double Attack merits and would WS in useful Double Attack gear, the chance for this to happen would be way under 1%. So on average it wouldn't even happen once in over a 100 WS. And chances are occasionally you won't notice, or conserve TP would kick in and ruin the value, or you'd get hit right after and your measure would be off, etc. There's a high chance you wouldn't notice it even after quite a few merit parties.

Again, not sure what it really was, but those incidents really had me confused and I can't explain them any other way.

[Byrth]

I'll lay it out for you brotha.

21 STP during WS with a 504 delay GA like Perdu Voulge (13.7 base TP) from Brutal, Rajas, and /SAM gives:
16.5 TP from the main swing
17.7 TP if you land one extra hit
18.9 TP if you land two extra hits
20.1 TP if you land three extra hits
21.3 TP if you land four extra hits (2 DAs)

I did a lot of Raging Rushes in Abyssea with 34% Double Attack and 0% Triple Attack during Visions of Abyssea and never saw a 3-DA return (should have been a 3% chance with capped Acc).

Myth busted.

[Jkr]

25% chance to completely defend against dmg might be more useful, but the loss of attack really makes this job ability a waste, just like the merit category... -6 seconds whoopdy

[Relyk]

I'll lay it out for you brotha.

21 STP during WS with a 504 delay GA like Perdu Voulge (13.7 base TP) from Brutal, Rajas, and /SAM gives:
16.5 TP from the main swing
17.7 TP if you land one extra hit
18.9 TP if you land two extra hits
20.1 TP if you land three extra hits
21.3 TP if you land four extra hits (2 DAs)

I did a lot of Raging Rushes in Abyssea with 34% Double Attack and 0% Triple Attack during Visions of Abyssea and never saw a 3-DA return (should have been a 3% chance with capped Acc).

Myth busted.

Thank you, I knew if it was possible I would have seen it at some point. I don't have parses of TP returns or anything but my sample size was rather large.. If you know what I mean

[Arcon]

I'll lay it out for you brotha.

21 STP during WS with a 504 delay GA like Perdu Voulge (13.7 base TP) from Brutal, Rajas, and /SAM gives:
16.5 TP from the main swing
17.7 TP if you land one extra hit
18.9 TP if you land two extra hits
20.1 TP if you land three extra hits
21.3 TP if you land four extra hits (2 DAs)

I did a lot of Raging Rushes in Abyssea with 34% Double Attack and 0% Triple Attack during Visions of Abyssea and never saw a 3-DA return (should have been a 3% chance with capped Acc).

Myth busted.

That explained a lot, I never thought to apply the Store TP value to the additional hits. Although that brings up more questions..

This model skips 19 TP return, which I have quite often. If you applied the Store TP values before rounding down to 13.7 (13.72) then it would skip 18, which I also have very often, most actually. But it does make sense, I'll just have to pay more attention now that I know and see my results. Although I just added more Store TP with Ravager's Lorica +2, so the progression should be 17 > 18 > 20 > 21 > 22. So if I see any 19 TP returns I'll come bother you again.

[Harukusan]

This thread makes me want to punch a kitten. Seriously, I'm actually sickened and offended by the things people admit to the way they play WAR. I wanted to believe that people knew better and that they didn't need much help to learn how to play. But this really further brought my suspicions to reality.

The WARs sporting full Perle and sun rings and stuff still reign supreme as the "majority." While you guys are enjoying doing your 600 dmg Raging Rushes once every few minutes, I'll be out there one-shotting your exp mobs in an attempt to prevent you from contaminating the minds of other players, leading them to believe you qualify as a role-model, when they have a real urge to learn how to do things right.

If you want real advice on the job, don't use this thread as a reference.

[Yarly]

This thread explains all the full perle warriors at 90.

[Byrth]

In Abyssea, Zahak's is going to beat Lorica +2. Outside of Abyssea, Zahak's may be best again, or twilight in weird situations.

[Neisan_Quetz]

With RR, even Perle Hauberk is better than Emp body (only thing I can think of that's potentially worse is Haubergeon). NQ Cuirass would beat Emp Body last I checked as well, and definitely Zahak's inside Abyssea. Outside Zahak's and Twilight Mail assuming high but not quite capped dDEX ( still doesn't exist for me) and even Adaberk picks up some steam but is still not worth aiming for unless you already had one.

[GlobalVariable]

Screw defender. Let me merit retaliation in its place.