•Unbridled Knowledge (Lv. 99) RDM

[Scuro]

Honestly being a SCH, I think RDM and SCH should receive Cure V, since in this day and age, IV just doesn't compete, and the amount of hate it generates is certainly limiting to the curing class, except WHM. While many WHMs would say that giving us a Cure V would BREAK it, I disagree. WHMs are exceptional healers for far more reason other then the fact that they have Cure V. BLU is a job in which its mechanic is that the spells are limited. SE took suggestions of a JA that releases all spells, and limited it (because such an idea as I was saying in the BLU forum, would be stupid, and broken, and disobey the entire mechanic that is BLU) to HNM spells. No other job (other then SCH) works like this where a JA is required in order to obtain the use of additional spells. Should RDM get better buff spells? Yes I strongly agree, because in my eyes, the class is a debuffer and a buffer, so what better idea then to give them better bufffing spells. It shouldn't be attached to some JA, because that is a mechanic that belongs to hybrid jobs such as BLU and SCH. It should be granted natively, or hell maybe even the extended merits they have been talking about.

And to nutshell why its a rip off. You didn't even bother to change the name of the JA from the one that will be given to BLU, and your mechanic steals from SCH and BLU like mechanics. Its much like when people were trying to get RDM to be a DD, they were supporting the idea of endebuff spells that the more you hit the more % a debuff was enhanced. Which this basically straight up takes away from a DNC, and even exceeds the class in which such a mechanic should ACTUALLY belong to. I'm more then behind the idea of RDM getting better buffs, just keep it in the original mechanic that it is. Don't ask for a JA, make them native, because honestly, the spells you are asking for as a Tier II, really are not a stretch of the imagination when you think about us coming to level 99. (Although to be frank, good luck with getting Doom, we are already pissing off BLMs and DRKs by having a spell that inflicts it as BLUs.)

[Seriha]

So, why is it okay for RDM to "steal" from WHM (Cure V) but not BLU, SCH, or DNC?

Personally, I don't like this idea (namely that it will most likely include restrictive timers and too broad a spell library), but the flimsy, opinionated retorts against pretty much everything suggested on this board because "It's not RDM!" are getting stale, especially from those who don't have the job leveled, geared, and appreciable firsthand experience in it.

[cidbahamut]

So, why is it okay for RDM to "steal" from WHM (Cure V) but not BLU, SCH, or DNC?

Because it's the logical progression of a line of spells we acquire natively? Seriously, where was all the kicking and screaming when we got Shell V? Oh that's right, there was none even though we basically "stole" one of White Mage's best merits.

Yay for double standards.

[Stylin]

Because it's the logical progression of a line of spells we acquire natively? Seriously, where was all the kicking and screaming when we got Shell V? Oh that's right, there was none even though we basically "stole" one of White Mage's best merits.

I could have sworn White Mage got Shellra V from merits. And that it was more potent than our rinky-dink single target spell could ever hope to be.

That's beside the point though, since the "double standard" is what Scuro's being called out on in the first place.

[Seriha]

I could have sworn White Mage got Shellra V from merits. And that it was more potent than our rinky-dink single target spell could ever hope to be.

That's beside the point though, since the "double standard" is what Scuro's being called out on in the first place.

Pretty much. And as noted of our Shell V, in comparison, it's hardly the game changer, perhaps ender for party-centric alternative roles, that Cure V would be.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Pretty much. And as noted of our Shell V, in comparison, it's hardly the game changer, perhaps ender for party-centric alternative roles, that Cure V would be.

Why do people seem to think RDM/SCH getting what would be a gimped Cure V is game changing... Maybe for SCH with it's 60% potency it may be but not for RDM who for so long couldn't even cap 50% cure potency.

[Scuro]

Because it's the logical progression of a line of spells we acquire natively? Seriously, where was all the kicking and screaming when we got Shell V? Oh that's right, there was none even though we basically "stole" one of White Mage's best merits.

Yay for double standards.

Exactly, and that answers your question Seriah which should of been completely obvious. You get a series of cures, so it only makes sense. YOu don't need to play or appreciate RDM at all to know that it is a job that can cure lol. my RDM is 49, but I personally find it as of now, worthless, and I hate the class (yet I do appreciate those that play the job as a buffer and debuffer and do it damn fine). There is nothing right now that any other class can not do better then a RDM, except debuffing. Yet in Abyssea with mobs that are resistant to certain debuffs, just no point.

I bare no double standards, I'm a fair man, if this JA went through, congrats, it would be a shit idea for a RDM anyway since these spells that were named should of been given at 99 rather then have a JA to use em. I just believe that certain things should go to those jobs only, such as jobs with unique mechanics such as DNC, BLU, and SCH. They should be not given to other jobs. Yet RDM, WHM, SCH have all things in common, therefore much of their spell list should be SIMILAR. I mean it really should go with out saying that the next step for most of those mage classes is the next tier of a spell. In Abyssea Cure IV doesn't cut it, and I'm sorry, people talk about SCH's don't need it because of rapture, and for most cases this is true, but when you are booming off strats like they are going out of style, that rapture is a bit harder to do. My standards are not double, they are pretty blatantly fair and understandable. Idk if you think a Cure V is a stretch of the imagination for classes that CURE, well then I would strongly suggest you play the class over, unless you are a solo'n DD RDM, well then I guess keep doin what you're doin....

[Rayik]

Exactly, and that answers your question Seriah which should of been completely obvious. You get a series of cures, so it only makes sense. YOu don't need to play or appreciate RDM at all to know that it is a job that can cure lol. my RDM is 49, but I personally find it as of now, worthless, and I hate the class (yet I do appreciate those that play the job as a buffer and debuffer and do it damn fine). There is nothing right now that any other class can not do better then a RDM, except debuffing. Yet in Abyssea with mobs that are resistant to certain debuffs, just no point.

I bare no double standards, I'm a fair man, if this JA went through, congrats, it would be a shit idea for a RDM anyway since these spells that were named should of been given at 99 rather then have a JA to use em. I just believe that certain things should go to those jobs only, such as jobs with unique mechanics such as DNC, BLU, and SCH. They should be not given to other jobs. Yet RDM, WHM, SCH have all things in common, therefore much of their spell list should be SIMILAR. I mean it really should go with out saying that the next step for most of those mage classes is the next tier of a spell. In Abyssea Cure IV doesn't cut it, and I'm sorry, people talk about SCH's don't need it because of rapture, and for most cases this is true, but when you are booming off strats like they are going out of style, that rapture is a bit harder to do. My standards are not double, they are pretty blatantly fair and understandable. Idk if you think a Cure V is a stretch of the imagination for classes that CURE, well then I would strongly suggest you play the class over, unless you are a solo'n DD RDM, well then I guess keep doin what you're doin....

Your RDM is only 49 and you profess to hating the job. Why do you keep posting in RDM forums?

[Prothscar]

If BLU has stolen everything from other jobs, would you like to come up with new and unique things for every spell that BLU has that isn't related to any other spell in the game?