Quote Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
Nah. I was trying to point out that while they do benefit melee considerably, those spells were not designed specifically as an update to RDM's melee capabilities. They're simply part of a line of general purpose utility spells. It'd be like saying Black Mage getting Blizzard V was a buff to their ice damage. While it's technically true, it's just a logical progression of what's already been laid out previously.
Ok, I see where you're coming from with the rest of your post, but this is killing me. You can't count the new Gain spells separate from being a true melee buff and then turn around and say they buff melee, but it doesn't count because they were going to anyway previously? We got swords 8 years ago, I think that predates the Gain spells considerably in the "logical progression of melee" thing. Gain-STR is a new spell that's self only, and boosts melee, right there alongside Temper. Logical continuation or not, it is what it is, and those two together are a considerable boost for melee.

We're saying the same thing, just seems like classifying them differently for some reason.