SE, Temper Activation Rate

[Tashan]

You realize that DA experiences decreasing returns right?

Going from 0 to 5 DA is 105/100 = 5% improvement.

Going from 21 to 26 is,
126/121 = 1.0413, 1 4.1% improvement.

The presence of additional DA options does absolutely nothing for disposition of Temper's potency.

Your using 36mp and a few seconds to cast a spell that will give you a 4.1% improvement over 11:45min at best. More importantly is this is supposed to be a RDM "melee" update, and it's looking like complete sh!t so far. Worth casting yes, but barely. It's a brutal earring in spell form.

That being said, if SE just hasn't added scaling yet and we're really seeing the absolute bottom of the spell, then it's not so bad. Gain spells start at +5, so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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1). Yes, double attack experiences decreasing returns. As does Haste. As does Dual-Wield. As does nearly every stat in the game.

"Double Attack has decreasing returns" is not an argument against it, it's an acknowledgement. You are still getting a positive return that is unique to the job.

It may not be flashy but it's still an increase. If that had been a piece of equipment people would be paying millions for it.

2) 36 MP is cheap and negligible.

[cidbahamut]

I'm reasonably certain that Haste experiences increasing returns.

[SpankWustler]

Yes, double attack experiences decreasing returns. As does Haste. As does Dual-Wield. As does nearly every stat in the game.

I think you phrased something poorly here, unless you're referring to a different kind of decreasing return than what I'm thinking of.

[Cursed]

Haste experiences increasing returns.
TA/DA experience diminishing returns.
Dual Wield and Martial Arts traits are decreased delay between swings.

[Camate]

Thanks for all your feedback on Temper.

Based on all the feedback we have received on the forum and the test server, we will be making it so Temper’s activation rate increases with higher enhancing magic skill. (Of course there will be a cap)

In regards to the effect, when considering that the double attack can be stacked with other things besides just enhancing magic skill, such as equipment, etc., and can also be used with en-spells, we set it accordingly.

[Seriha]

With it being a magical equivalent of Double Attack, a cap is understandable with other gear added on top. 10-15% would be a number many of us would be comfortable with with that in mind, but more won't be argued against. Hopefully the devs will wind up thinking similarly.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

With it being a magical equivalent of Double Attack, a cap is understandable with other gear added on top. 10-15% would be a number many of us would be comfortable with with that in mind, but more won't be argued against. Hopefully the devs will wind up thinking similarly.

Personally I'd say 20% simply due to the fact even with that percentage it's hardly going to make RDM some melee crazy fighter.

[Shiyo]

Thanks for all your feedback on Temper.

Based on all the feedback we have received on the forum and the test server, we will be making it so Temper’s activation rate increases with higher enhancing magic skill. (Of course there will be a cap)

In regards to the effect, when considering that the double attack can be stacked with other things besides just enhancing magic skill, such as equipment, etc., and can also be used with en-spells, we set it accordingly.

Waste of dev time, RDM is not a melee job :/

Please focus on the backline aspects of RDM, work on our enfeebles, our cures, and our party enhancing buffs. Can you inform the dev team of that? A RDM will never, ever, ever be invited for a real event to melee, they are invited to be a support job, please focus on this.

[Hyrist]

1). Yes, double attack experiences decreasing returns. As does Haste. As does Dual-Wield. As does nearly every stat in the game.

No... Really no.

Haste receives exponential returns, due to how it effects attack delay.

Dual Wield receives decreasing returns because it reduces TP per hit gain and contributes to the overall 'delay reduction' cap. Making it a soft competitor to haste.

Double Attack is a flat rate of return. 5% double attack means 5% of your attacks that strike normally will attack twice instead. This works globally across the board.

You cannot lump these together, at all.

Waste of dev time, RDM is not a melee job :/

Correct, it is a Hybrid job. {Please check it.}

If you wish to focus entirely on the mage aspects of the job, you are free to do so. But I do not agree in harping the Developers for giving attention to the aspects of a job class long neglected in the development cycle. High end-game play is not the sole content of the game nor should it be regarded as such.

Additionally, what is this 'invite' you speak of? Most events that occur are done within groupings of friends or associates. In which case Meleeing is an option depending on the acceptability of your peers in relation to the difficulty of the event.

You also assume the development team isn't multitasking other developments at well, to which I say you're both incorrect and impatient. I'd rather them work on both aspects of the job with equal care and consideration.

Temper was so far, done poorly, would you like them to be screwing up the support aspects like that as well? If nothing else, consider these buffs as training for what they should be doing with our support role.

In the meanwhile, you may stow away your absolutist ideal. We're still not sure how the entirety of the changes coming down the pipeline will effect RDM and job/endgame dynamics as whole.

[FrankReynolds]

Waste of dev time, RDM is not a melee job :/

Please focus on the backline aspects of RDM, work on our enfeebles, our cures, and our party enhancing buffs. Can you inform the dev team of that? A RDM will never, ever, ever be invited for a real event to melee, they are invited to be a support job, please focus on this.

I agree, this is a nice spell, but totally unnecessary. They need to add spells that get Red Mages "enfeebling master" role back before they add things like this.

FFXI needs some big dot spells, and some enfeebles need to be fixed / added. Melee is IMHO what Red Mage should be able to do to solo. Not its roll in parties.