SE, Temper Activation Rate

[Shiyo]

And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.

Blu is also a better nuker and healer than RDM, black/white magic what?

[Shiyo]

Level 76+ gear matters because every other REAL dd job got INSANE new gear. Keep thinking RDM got has good melee gear though, considering a BLM SMN BRD WHM has the same melee options almost, and brd even has better : ( No good "amazing" DD gear here, go read a real DD's jobs af3+2 to see real DD gear......not trash we used 15 levels ago. wtf.

Next time don't reply to my entire post with "no you're wrong, no you're 12, no you're raging, no you're immature, no irrelevant lulz!", thanks.

[Karbuncle]

Level 76+ gear matters because every other REAL dd job got INSANE new gear. Keep thinking RDM got good melee gear though, considering a BLM SMN BRD WHM has the same melee options almost, and brd even has better

I don't think RDM is a DD, I don't think they will ever become a DD based on SE's track record. My only argument was they have some Decent DD gear options.

Its just not enough to make them good at it. Nothing more nothing less. I feel RDM should be a Nuker/Enhancer/Enfeebler myself.

And for what its worth, Hecatomb+1 gear, augmented, is some of the best WS armor for the jobs on it. Level is irrelevant if the stats are still decent!

Next time don't reply to my entire post with "no you're wrong, no you're 12, no you're raging, no you're immature, no irrelevant lulz!", thanks.

I'll reply how i want, thanks.

Maybe next time try not to type a 3 paragraph rage fest simply because i called you out on what is the only 1 i disagreed with in your entire post. I agree RDM isn't a melee, I was only pointing out they have Melee gear. Its level is irrelevant as long as the stats are still amazing, and it is.

[Shiyo]

I don't think RDM is a DD, I don't think they will ever become a DD based on SE's track record. My only argument was they have some Decent DD gear options.

Its just not enough to make them good at it. Nothing more nothing less. I feel RDM should be a Nuker/Enhancer/Enfeebler myself.

And for what its worth, Hecatomb+1 gear, augmented, is some of the best WS armor for the jobs on it. Level is irrelevant if the stats are still decent!

http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Goliard_Saio
vs
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Mavi_Mintan_%2B2
and
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Tantra_Cyclas_%2B2
etc etc
Also -acc makes for some good tp pants on a job with horrible acc~

rawr such good stats

w/e I don't care, don't call me ignorant when you still think we're level 75 and af3+2 doesn't exist for dd jobs

[Karbuncle]

http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Goliard_Saio
vs
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Mavi_Mintan_%2B2
and
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Tantra_Cyclas_%2B2
etc etc
Also -acc makes for some good tp pants on a job with horrible acc~

rawr such good stats

w/e I don't care, don't call me ignorant

You keep comparing it to what others get...

So because WAR has a Pair of Haste+5 Feet with CritDMG+10%, Should i say DRG, DRK, and SAM aren't DD's because they don't have those feet? The Feet they get are worse in comparison, So that, by your logic, means their DD choices aren't DD choices?

Your arguments are irrelevant comparisons. One job having DD armor doesn't mean other jobs don't have DD Armor because their DD Armor isn't as good as the first jobs.

Its not a difficult concept. I'm not saying their DD armor is the best and I'm not saying they're DD. I'm saying they have DD ARMOR SELECTIONS. Other jobs choices are irrelevant in the matter and I'm not sure why they keep being brought up.

The only point i was trying to make was that they have DD armor selections. I didn't say that made them a good DD, or that their armor choices were better than what others got. Stop taking what i say out of Context and we can stop arguing.

We're basically on the same side here anyway.

[Karbuncle]

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1) No, I'm a man

2) No, I've been on Asura my whole FFXI Career. Since before CoP Release. I got plenty who can vouch for that.

Edit: I think i know who you are talking about though. I read it on FFXIAH and on BG, I wish i could dig it up, It could be some lulz. I think that chick quit a long time ago though.

[Cursed]

1) No, I'm a man

2) No, I've been on Asura my whole FFXI Career. Since before CoP Release. I got plenty who can vouch for that.

Edit: I think i know who you are talking about though. I read it on FFXIAH and on BG, I wish i could dig it up, It could be some lulz. I think that chick quit a long time ago though.

ah sorry found the BG thread, it was "thesummoner" not "realsummoner"
apologies. I was hoping that chick had resurfaced... she stole my HQ staffs

[Neisan_Quetz]

Rdm with Calm trousers in best setup would be about ~11(17 without N sash) accuracy and ~15 attack under Blu while whose best body armor is Mextli harness.

[Rayik]

Doesn't Composure give a melee Acc bonus? Just sayin.

Dusk feet and hands +1 are easy as hell to get now. I'm a broke-joke when it comes to gil, and I was able to scrape up a +1's of both. Gil is easy to get for anyone who feels like getting it. Just go to an Aby zone, get some pop items, sell them on the AH. You can make 100k from Aby-Altep easily, more if you get a Tiger King Hide from a chest. No synthing required. Re-buying Calmecac trousers asap.

Pretty much, everything on that list Karby stated above is within reach to anyone with a couple buddies. Two friends and I whooped Lacovie for a friend's Goading Belt, and I'm next on the list when I farm KI's. You can get KI's for Lacovie from chests now. Atheling Mantle is an amazing back piece, and 100% drop. You could probably find a group doing Orthrus, who would give you the item since the chances are good they all already have it. Goliard shouldn't be hard either, just do some Nyzule runs with someone who has floor access that high if you don't have access. That's next on my list.

The only snag I'm running into is the Zelus Tiara. Haven't got a lead on that yet, but between my couple of friends(and wife), we'll get ours when it's time.

Point is, between the capable Haste gear, Food for lolAccuracy, and spells like Temper(whose % scales with enhancing), and let's not forget SE has already said they have RDM in mind for the upcoming WS adjustments, I think there are plenty of valid reasons a RDM could melee something significant in the near future. Really sort of hinges on the WS adjustments, but still, we get several good Dagger WS's as is(Evisceration, Aeolian Edge, etc).

By significant, I mean something that other DD's are already melee'ing on. If it's one of those "OMFGTPMOVEGONNAKILLUSALL!!!!" mobs that not even the DD's are melee'ing on, then yeah, we're not gonna melee that(Voidwatch, some Caturae, etc).