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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    On the note about spell limitations... It may just be that they reference the number of possible spells in a way that would require them to re-code many other unrelated areas of the program. They may have initially made it that ways with PS2 in mind, and not be able to change it now due to the work involved. As much as I hope that the new survey is the beginning of the end for PS2 limits, there may still be a lot of PS2 stuff that can't be fixed.

    Personally I think that SE should make a new FFXI with all the same mechanics stories, etc. on a updated platform, and then build from there. They might just get theire old player base back.
    I doubt that a cost/benefit ratio would tell them that recoding a game that is nearly a decade old is worth it. For as much as we would love FFXI to look like FFXIV (it would be amazing) or just even kind of improved graphics and archetecture, I doubt that the shareholders would consider it economically feasible, especially since the game is such a cash cow with so little money put into development costs anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus View Post
    I doubt that a cost/benefit ratio would tell them that recoding a game that is nearly a decade old is worth it. For as much as we would love FFXI to look like FFXIV (it would be amazing) or just even kind of improved graphics and archetecture, I doubt that the shareholders would consider it economically feasible, especially since the game is such a cash cow with so little money put into development costs anymore.
    haven't they done a few successful remakes of previous titles already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    Personally I think that SE should make a new FFXI with all the same mechanics stories, etc. on a updated platform, and then build from there. They might just get theire old player base back.
    I'd only go for it if they decide to go with advance class/class specializations for each job instead of a subjob system, that way hybrids aren't swallowed in civil war like the RDM playerbase currently is.

    If RDM was then to progress as

    Red Mage
    Option A: Magic Fencer
    Option B: Support Caster

    I'd be one happy taru.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.

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    Shiyo = The most intelligent RDM I've heard in a long time, because she is actually trying to boost what the job is good at, and not at what it is god awful at. The job is not, nor ever will be a DD, hence BLU, if you can't accept that then sit around in your denial, but BLU was designed to be the DD mage that RDM could never be.

    /applaud

    P.S
    Honestly I don't want Temper as a BLU, but I'm saying that it would actually get used effectively if it went to BLU. And I'm a career BLU, I just hate DD RDM and think its an idea for fans of the job from previous FF's and not realistic of the game we ACTUALLY play.
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    Last edited by Scuro; 09-01-2011 at 09:52 AM.

    99 BLU,PLD,SCH,RNG,NIN,BST,SMN,THF,BLM,WHM... Any questions..?

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    Sweeten the deal by bumping up the duration of Temper and Enspells to 5 mins.
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    LOL? RDM has gained like 3 new pieces of melee gear since 75, compare that to ANY other melee job in the game for a huge lol. The entire af3+2 set is also DESIGNED FOR CASTING, notice how the sets are perfectly designed for every single job? Yeah, you're supposed to be casting. RDM isn't even on twilight or bullwhip belt, making it need a speed belt, swift belt or goading belt. Zelus tiara and goading belt also don't count as new melee gear for RDM because they can be equipped by ALL jobs.

    Also notice how RDM is only on the teal set(caster set) and not the perle(heavy DD) or aurore(light DD) sets? Going to take the hint yet?

    Also, really? "cap equip haste with relative ease"? Are we playing the same game?

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/219073

    I guess needing a SPEED BELT, dusk +1 feet, dusk +1 gloves, a zelus tiara(LOL @ ever getting that on RDM) and 2M pants is "cap equip haste with relative ease". You don't even have 26% haste with this gear, and would need a goliard saoi(another piece of level 75 gear yay? from something no one does, and has no other DD stats at all lol...) in order to reach 26% haste.

    So from level 75 - > 90, RDM has gained a grand total of 2 pieces of new TP gear that isn't equippable by ALL jobs, atheling mantle and calmace trousers. Hey look, brd is on them too, should we go to the brd forums and make a 300 page thread DEMANDING a buff to our BRD meleeing abilities? Maybe we should!

    Funny thing is, bard has access to much better WS and TP gear(hecatomb, byakkos, blah blah blah) than a RDM ever will, while also capping haste more easily and access to better daggers(magian daggers and twashtar). Not even mentioning the fact RDM doesn't get a single good sword WS natively, getting the same dagger weapon skills a bard gets. BRD DD LETS GO!!!!!

    If that doesn't show why you have literally no idea what you're talking about, let me spell it out more easily for you:

    RDM has gained 2 new pieces of DD gear since level 75, other DD jobs have gained an entire af3+2 set, and numerous other misc items, including the perle/aurore set and other AH/VW options.

    RDM is not a melee DD job.
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    Last edited by Shiyo; 09-01-2011 at 10:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    LOL? RDM has gained like 3 new pieces of melee gear since 75, compare that to ANY other melee job in the game for a huge lol.
    The Quote was (And forgive me for paraphrasing) "RDM has no good gear choices for melee" and i said "You're wrong". Try sticking to the context of my words. I didn't say RDM was a good DD or it got a load of new 76+ DD Options.

    ever.

    The entire af3+2 set is also DESIGNED FOR CASTING, notice how the sets are perfectly designed for every single job? Yeah, you're supposed to be casting.
    Irrelevant to what i said. You said RDM has no good DD gear. I said you were wrong. Please stick to what i said.

    RDM isn't even on twilight or bullwhip belt, making it need a speed belt, swift belt or goading belt. Zelus tiara and goading belt also don't count as new melee gear for RDM because they can be equipped by ALL jobs.
    Also Irrelevant? Where did i say they had new melee gear? I named the 1 piece i found relevant (Calmacac Trousers). Goading belt is a given though. That being said, Even though i agree RDM isn't a melee (I made the RDM magic thread Heyo), You're arguments are hideously flawed and its actually making "RDM magic" crowd look bad.

    Also notice how RDM is only on the teal set(caster set) and not the perle(heavy DD) or aurore(light DD) sets? Going to take the hint yet?
    How is this relevant again? "RDM has no good Melee gear choices" was the context of what you said. I proved you wrong. How is their gear selection 76+ Relevant?

    Also, really? "cap equip haste with relative ease"? Are we playing the same game?
    Goliard Saio.

    I guess needing a SPEED BELT, dusk +1 feet, dusk +1 gloves, a zelus tiara
    Zelus 8%
    Goliard 4%
    Goading 5%
    Dusk Hands3%
    Calmacac 3%
    Dusk Feet 2%

    Is 25%, HQ Feet or Hands and you get 26% (true 25% Cap). Dusk Feet/hands +1 are dirt cheap these days too compared to old prices. Its rather accessible.

    (LOL @ ever getting that on RDM)
    Guess someones doesn't have friends? That NM is killed so often Zelus' hit the ground. I guess it'd probably be hard for someone like you. You're a Sparky fella, So quick to get angry, you actually went on this lovely rant just because i pointed out RDM has a few good DD gear selections.

    I even agree I don't feel RDM is a melee.

    and 2M pants is "cap equip haste with relative ease".
    I guess going to the Auction house is a bit difficult? oh well, If you can't afford Calmacac (lol) you can always get the ASA pants with Haste+3 i suppose. They aren't good for much else these days.

    You don't even have 26% haste with this gear, and would need a goliard saoi
    I'm sorry, Whats wrong with needing level 75 armor? Dusk+1 hands are still the best for a few jobs How is the level of the armor remotely related to its usefulness so long as its stats are still relevant?

    from something no one does, and has no other DD stats at all lol...) in order to reach 26% haste.
    Uh, Haste+4% is the only DD stat that matters on that body, Of course, but its a darn good one.

    So from level 75 - > 90, RDM has gained a grand total of 2 pieces of new TP gear that isn't equippable by ALL jobs, atheling mantle and calmace trousers.
    Relevant how?

    Hey look, brd is on them too, should we go to the brd forums and make a 300 page thread DEMANDING a buff to our BRD meleeing abilities? Maybe we should!
    Actually, Believe it or not, BRD is a great DD in Abyssea. But what isn't. Kinda irrelevant. But they can pump out some good Evisceration numbers, that and they can Self March, That puts them in a good spot.

    Funny thing is, bard has access to much better WS and TP gear(hecatomb, byakkos, blah blah blah) than a RDM ever will, while also capping haste more easily and access to better daggers(magian daggers and twashtar). Not even mentioning the fact RDM doesn't get a single good sword WS natively, getting the same dagger weapon skills a bard gets. BRD DD LETS GO!!!!!
    Still not in context with what i said, However, RDM can use Chant Du Cygne, which is leagues ahead of Rudras (unless you're a THF or DNC).

    "Funny thing" is, You said (i'm paraphrasing) "RDM has no good options for DD Gear", and i named its good options. Dunno where this all came from.


    RDM has gained 2 new pieces of DD gear since level 75, other DD jobs have gained an entire af3+2 set, and numerous other misc items, including the perle/aurore set and other AH/VW options.
    Relevant how? Who cares if the Armor's level 72 If its still amazing DD gear?

    RDM is not a melee DD job.
    You seem to not understand what i'm saying, Here's a quote from me on your post:

    I agree with what you're saying
    This right here is me saying i agree RDM is not a melee, I was simply pointing out they have GEAR to melee. Who cares if its level 75 or lower when its there and actually decent armor?
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 09-01-2011 at 11:44 AM. Reason: Cleaning it up a bit to avoid the Baconator.

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    Uh, that job exists. It's called blue mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Uh, that job exists. It's called blue mage.
    And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.
    Box art does not a job make.
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