Temper info

[Shiyo]

Remember this isn't out yet, its on a test server meaning it's still in development. Right ~NOW~ is the time to mention anything you want changed with it, once it goes live SE will be rather reluctant to change it (not saying they wont, but it's easier to change before it goes live then after).

So I say again, if you think Temper is too low then right now make requests for it to be stronger, both in the feedback forum and here in the RDM forum. I've already made a post about it, make your own or add to that one. If SE dev's see enough feedback they'll look into it. Just remember to be nice and constructive, no flaming or snide comments.

Feedback? Remove temper, add an actual useful spell that will be used for things that matter, like a new enfeeble that has high macc/lands on most things or a new JT that enhances the macc of our enfeebles to land on almost anything :/

[Shiyo]

Blu gets curaga4, doom, phalanx, we get 3-5% DA

np guys

[Pharaun]

Just curious as to why you think Shiyo is flaming and trolling? I don't see them specifically attacking any poster so they can't be flaming, and they are stating an opinion of what they feel the Rdm job needs, so I don't see that as being particularly troll worthy. You may not agree with the opinion, but it's far, far away from trolling. And quite frankly I think Shiyo is right, Rdm needs something that will actually benefit what they do in party situations i.e. a buff to their enhancing/enfeebling capability, not just something to help them swing their sword more against trash mobs.

[saevel]

Just curious as to why you think Shiyo is flaming and trolling? I don't see them specifically attacking any poster so they can't be flaming, and they are stating an opinion of what they feel the Rdm job needs, so I don't see that as being particularly troll worthy. You may not agree with the opinion, but it's far, far away from trolling. And quite frankly I think Shiyo is right, Rdm needs something that will actually benefit what they do in party situations i.e. a buff to their enhancing/enfeebling capability, not just something to help them swing their sword more against trash mobs.

Which is why you think she's not at troll, she's agreeing with you.

Just read over every one of her posts, their abrasive, rude, antagonistic and in every way the definition of a flamebait troll. She comes on here with the single intention of stiring up sh!t and thus I've put her on the ignore list. If all the people would stop replying to her troll posts then she's fade away.

Now we could get into this protracted debate about pro / con and what not, but you have zero intention of listening or taking anyone else seriously, thus I'll just cut to the end. You desire RDM to never melee and thus would rename the job to "SCH", "WHM-2" or "BLM-2" which is what it basically becomes once your remove the melee aspect. I don't care if it helps you get your DRG / PUP / DRK / SAM Emperion weapon / armor faster, of if it allows you to skip the WHM and just grab a RDM instead for whatever even your trying to put together.

There is a component of the job's design that is neglected / underused, both the RDM player base and SE desire enhance this underused aspect. We don't care if everyone else just wants us to haste them faster.

[Pharaun]

Which is why you think she's not at troll, she's agreeing with you.

Just read over every one of her posts, their abrasive, rude, antagonistic and in every way the definition of a flamebait troll. She comes on here with the single intention of stiring up sh!t and thus I've put her on the ignore list. If all the people would stop replying to her troll posts then she's fade away.

Now we could get into this protracted debate about pro / con and what not, but you have zero intention of listening or taking anyone else seriously, thus I'll just cut to the end. You desire RDM to never melee and thus would rename the job to "SCH", "WHM-2" or "BLM-2" which is what it basically becomes once your remove the melee aspect. I don't care if it helps you get your DRG / PUP / DRK / SAM Emperion weapon / armor faster, of if it allows you to skip the WHM and just grab a RDM instead for whatever even your trying to put together.

There is a component of the job's design that is neglected / underused, both the RDM player base and SE desire enhance this underused aspect. We don't care if everyone else just wants us to haste them faster.

And here is why I can't take you seriously, just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them a troll. The word troll gets thrown around so much on these forums that I am positive that they don't understand what a real troll is.

It's nice to see that you make a lot of assumptions about me, as far as I can remember I haven't weighed in on the rdm melee debate until today. Honestly I would like for Temper to be a worthwhile spell, and by worthwhile I feel it should be a 10-15% rate and castable on party members, but SE is so afraid of making Rdm any stronger than it already is that they won't give the job any significant buff. Of course you will now call me a troll and put me on the block list as well, so whatever.

edit* Although I will admit that Shiyo's post right below yours if fairly trollish.

[saevel]

And here is why I can't take you seriously, just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make them a troll. The word troll gets thrown around so much on these forums that I am positive that they don't understand what a real troll is.

It's nice to see that you make a lot of assumptions about me, as far as I can remember I haven't weighed in on the rdm melee debate until today. Honestly I would like for Temper to be a worthwhile spell, and by worthwhile I feel it should be a 10-15% rate and castable on party members, but SE is so afraid of making Rdm any stronger than it already is that they won't give the job any significant buff. Of course you will now call me a troll and put me on the block list as well, so whatever.

edit* Although I will admit that Shiyo's post right below yours if fairly trollish.

Don't need to make any assumptions, you stated your intentions rather plainly. You don't see Temper as a buff to RDM melee capabilities and instead see it as a buff to your other jobs.

What you just said combined with

And quite frankly I think Shiyo is right, Rdm needs something that will actually benefit what they do in party situations i.e. a buff to their enhancing/enfeebling capability, not just something to help them swing their sword more against trash mobs.

Makes your position on motives quite clear.

You fit into the "couldn't care less if RDM got 0 sword / dagger skill" camp. You don't see RDM's swinging a sword as viable and would prefer it if you never saw a RDM melee again.

I've been doing this for 8+ years now, been in this debate for most of that time. There isn't a single argument you can bring forth that hasn't been brought forth before. I know every counter point your going to make and have debunked them all years ago. Everything from TP feeding to damage taken to needing staves even down to the "RDM isn't a DD" which is the fallback agreement that is always used. Which is itself a catch-22, RDM isn't accepted on the front lines and therefor shouldn't get any buffs to put it on the front lines (the argument against being the cause for the argument for).

That all being said you haven't done anything troll worthy yet. Shi first post into the RDM forums were troll flamebait troll posts.

[Miitan]

Yo dawg.

We heard you like trolling, so we put a troll inside your troll so you can troll while you're trolling.

[Swords]

We do, but seldom do mod's act unless people report them. And while yes there are some trolls on this forum, most at least can put up a decent conversation that is remotely constructive weather or not they agree or disagree with the subject in question.

[Seriha]

It's one thing to want caster buffs, it's another to blanketly assume the melee camp is dumb as well as any idea toward helping it. Note that she wants to take Temper away to replace it with her ideal and not even attempt to compromise. If the intent is to instigate a negative reaction, mission accomplished.