Temper info

[saevel]

If someone's play style has a negative impact in a group setting, then it's that group's problem... Not yours. Don't want to melee on RDM? Then don't do it. Simple. If you enjoy a mage-only play style, then continue enjoying it. Nobody is taking that away from you.

This is why I keep recommending everyone to just ignore the trolls, eventually they'll go away. I entertained each one of them until their arguments broke down to "RDM isn't a DD, your melee is the suckz so the dev's should spend their time on giving ~MY~ job a melee update not yours", then they got added to the ignore list.

[Rayik]

Ray,

No they haven't tried it, of the few detractors that are actually RDM's, none of them have put forth effort to make a melee build due to the stigma attached. This is why it's pointless to try to argue against them, their arguing out ignorance and you can't argue with an ignorant person.

I wouldn't say all of them are being ignorant. Some players, Greatgaurdian comes to mind, really only look at RDM, like he said, as a set of tools to use in the game. They have no preconceptions about what the job was supposed to be, and only see what it's top-layer, surface only usefulness is. And that's fine; they see what the job does well, and only want to do that. Rather than explore other possibilities or experiment, they are happy just focusing on the superficial role the job was put into by the community. They found what works, and works well, and just want to keep doing that.

The problem is, that's not all the job is capable of, but you'd never know, because a lot of those complacent players are scared of anything causing any ripples in the water. They're scared they might be called on to do something besides stand in one spot and cycle spells. Someone proposes another use(gasp! a hybrid job!) and they go apesh**, shouting down anyone who attempts to disrupt that little niche they enjoy.

Not me. I like to try different things, and experiment. I like to find a use for everything. If it exists, even if it sucks, I want to make it not suck. I'm not interested in the status quo; that's boring to me. We already know that "stand in the back and buff cycle/heal" works, so there's no new ground to find there. No trails to blaze. No challenge. It's boring. Years of pink bird parties in Aht Uhrgan areas killed my attention span for that kind of play. I'm very scatter-brained; I enjoy the challenge of standing toe-to-toe with a big nasty mob, and keeping buffs cycled, and keeping people alive. Not everybody likes that, but I do.

But hey, that's their preference, and it's not my place to take that away from them. Everyone pays a monthly fee for this game; you play your way, I'll play mine. Trust me to be intelligent enough to know when certain play styles are inappropriate. If I am in your pt, and I'm hurting our effectiveness, let me know and I'll change up.

It's one kind of play style, and for only certain appropriate times in the game. We're not asking to rewrite the entire job. People need to worry less about how other people play.

[Rayik]

This is why I keep recommending everyone to just ignore the trolls, eventually they'll go away. I entertained each one of them until their arguments broke down to "RDM isn't a DD, your melee is the suckz so the dev's should spend their time on giving ~MY~ job a melee update not yours", then they got added to the ignore list.

There is some good discussion going on, but you have to sift through the trolls to find it. Cidbahamut and I seem to be on opposite sides of the debate, but I frequently quote him and agree with him(I assume "he") because he does bring good info and honest contributions to the discussion. I don't have to agree 100% with someone to respect them, and I respect Cid.

Greatgaurdian is another one. GG is a very intelligent and experienced RDM. You have to sort of block out his condescending tone, but there's good info there. GG and I got nose-to-nose a few times, but I definitely respect that player's opinion and read what he has to say. There are other's but I can't remember all the names.

The trolls who simply kick in the door, shout "hurrdurr u sux gimme buffs lol" get added to the ignore list. Or they just get ignored altogether. I only actually have 2 people on my ignore list, one of which only posted in this forum maybe once or twice.

If anything, these debates in the RDM forum have at the very least helped me focus on why I want to play the way I do, and help me see what obstacles the game presents, up close and personal. For all the negativity and shouting going on, I want to melee on RDM more than ever.

[saevel]

"hurrdurr u sux gimme buffs lol"

That's exactly what Cid did when he first entered this debate, back when we were asking SE for some sort of "Melee" update. Maybe he's changed, doubt it though. I don't even read his posts on alla much less here.

[cidbahamut]

That's exactly what Cid did when he first entered this debate, back when we were asking SE for some sort of "Melee" update. Maybe he's changed, doubt it though. I don't even read his posts on alla much less here.

This is why you will never contribute anything useful to this discussion. Because rather than actually have a discussion, you're content to put everyone who disagrees with you on your ignore list.

Then you repeatedly make posts about it to rub it in in a manner designed to provoke a hostile reaction, all the while putting on airs of taking the moral high-ground. That my friend is what we call trolling.

[Shiyo]

If he ignores everyone who disagrees he'll eventually always be right

[Kitkat]

As it stands the spell was placed there, in what appears to be, a way to enhance rdm melee since there has been a lot of discussion in the forums of people debating and conversing on how Rdm Melee is possible, but currently is lacking due to unstable gear or buffs. Temper is a step in the right direction to remedy this, but at the same time I don't think it is good enough to satisfy what the majority of Rdm melee players want.

About the only time I pull out rdm anymore is if it is absolutely needed, or I just want to mess around on it. I'll say this though: Over the past few years SE has been working to increase the Melee aptitude of rdm which can be seen through what has been given to the job. Composure to increase melee accuracy, Chant du Cygne is a huge performance boost for the job in damage output, and now Temper. Given the nature of the job and what it could do without these options I'm not sure what the problem is specifically.

I don't expect rdm to ever get good enough buffs/options to be as good as a normal frontline DD, but I think SE is at least trying to amend the job so it has front line options if a player so desires to do so with the job. I would like to see temper to be a little more noticeable after casting it on yourself or even have a more noticeable scaling to it. Without parse and a large sample in varied skill ranges it is hard to say if it currently does scale unless you want to spend all day with a pen and pad counting every single round and 2nd attack without other DA/TA gear on.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I see there is also some decent equipment for "lolMeleeRDM" in the next update as well the Japanese can use in the test server.

[Supersun]

I see there is also some decent equipment for "lolMeleeRDM" in the next update as well the Japanese can use in the test server.

Such as?

[Insaniac]

I see there is also some decent equipment for "lolMeleeRDM" in the next update as well the Japanese can use in the test server.

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