Temper info

[SpankWustler]

Really, "Red Mage melee suks u hit 4 1-10 damange lulz" is a lame argument. Red Mage has a pretty similar TP set to Blue Mage, mostly falling behind in the weapon skill gear department. It's certainly not going to compare to a Warrior, Monk, Dragoon, or the like; but pretty much any job can engage fodder as well as certain Notorious Monsters and perform tolerably nowadays and an Almace-equipped Red Mage certainly isn't at the bottom of the pack.

Meleeing on Red Mage is often ill-advised because it's such an awesome mage, not because it's magically more awful than other mediocre melee jobs in spite of having similar numbers.

[saevel]

If someone's play style has a negative impact in a group setting, then it's that group's problem... Not yours. Don't want to melee on RDM? Then don't do it. Simple. If you enjoy a mage-only play style, then continue enjoying it. Nobody is taking that away from you.

This is why I keep recommending everyone to just ignore the trolls, eventually they'll go away. I entertained each one of them until their arguments broke down to "RDM isn't a DD, your melee is the suckz so the dev's should spend their time on giving ~MY~ job a melee update not yours", then they got added to the ignore list.

[Rayik]

This is why I keep recommending everyone to just ignore the trolls, eventually they'll go away. I entertained each one of them until their arguments broke down to "RDM isn't a DD, your melee is the suckz so the dev's should spend their time on giving ~MY~ job a melee update not yours", then they got added to the ignore list.

There is some good discussion going on, but you have to sift through the trolls to find it. Cidbahamut and I seem to be on opposite sides of the debate, but I frequently quote him and agree with him(I assume "he") because he does bring good info and honest contributions to the discussion. I don't have to agree 100% with someone to respect them, and I respect Cid.

Greatgaurdian is another one. GG is a very intelligent and experienced RDM. You have to sort of block out his condescending tone, but there's good info there. GG and I got nose-to-nose a few times, but I definitely respect that player's opinion and read what he has to say. There are other's but I can't remember all the names.

The trolls who simply kick in the door, shout "hurrdurr u sux gimme buffs lol" get added to the ignore list. Or they just get ignored altogether. I only actually have 2 people on my ignore list, one of which only posted in this forum maybe once or twice.

If anything, these debates in the RDM forum have at the very least helped me focus on why I want to play the way I do, and help me see what obstacles the game presents, up close and personal. For all the negativity and shouting going on, I want to melee on RDM more than ever.

[saevel]

"hurrdurr u sux gimme buffs lol"

That's exactly what Cid did when he first entered this debate, back when we were asking SE for some sort of "Melee" update. Maybe he's changed, doubt it though. I don't even read his posts on alla much less here.

[cidbahamut]

That's exactly what Cid did when he first entered this debate, back when we were asking SE for some sort of "Melee" update. Maybe he's changed, doubt it though. I don't even read his posts on alla much less here.

This is why you will never contribute anything useful to this discussion. Because rather than actually have a discussion, you're content to put everyone who disagrees with you on your ignore list.

Then you repeatedly make posts about it to rub it in in a manner designed to provoke a hostile reaction, all the while putting on airs of taking the moral high-ground. That my friend is what we call trolling.

[Shiyo]

If he ignores everyone who disagrees he'll eventually always be right

[Kitkat]

As it stands the spell was placed there, in what appears to be, a way to enhance rdm melee since there has been a lot of discussion in the forums of people debating and conversing on how Rdm Melee is possible, but currently is lacking due to unstable gear or buffs. Temper is a step in the right direction to remedy this, but at the same time I don't think it is good enough to satisfy what the majority of Rdm melee players want.

About the only time I pull out rdm anymore is if it is absolutely needed, or I just want to mess around on it. I'll say this though: Over the past few years SE has been working to increase the Melee aptitude of rdm which can be seen through what has been given to the job. Composure to increase melee accuracy, Chant du Cygne is a huge performance boost for the job in damage output, and now Temper. Given the nature of the job and what it could do without these options I'm not sure what the problem is specifically.

I don't expect rdm to ever get good enough buffs/options to be as good as a normal frontline DD, but I think SE is at least trying to amend the job so it has front line options if a player so desires to do so with the job. I would like to see temper to be a little more noticeable after casting it on yourself or even have a more noticeable scaling to it. Without parse and a large sample in varied skill ranges it is hard to say if it currently does scale unless you want to spend all day with a pen and pad counting every single round and 2nd attack without other DA/TA gear on.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I see there is also some decent equipment for "lolMeleeRDM" in the next update as well the Japanese can use in the test server.

[Supersun]

I see there is also some decent equipment for "lolMeleeRDM" in the next update as well the Japanese can use in the test server.

Such as?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Such as?

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/25...he-test-server

There is a lot of items in here that have been found.

I should note, not great by no means but hey, take what you get. Also a new Stoneskin+ earring and haste belt..