Temper info

[Stylin]

What you temper-tantrum RDMs don't realize is "temper" is going to be pretty much it for you.
A last ditch effort from SE to toss RDMs a useless toy.
You will be forever banned to solo play.
DRGs will pity you
PUPs will pity you
BST will refuse to invite you to his animal farm.

You must be a riot at parties.

[Duelle]

You must be a riot at parties.

Naw, man. He can see the future. Hey, how'd the Old Republic do? Even better, is FFXIV still standing? Would like to know if Mists of Pandaria managed to undo the damage to WoW caused by Cataclysm, too. plz respond :O

[Daniel_Hatcher]

after the coming update there are 4 more levels till new hard cap.
do you think SE is going to squeeze in
-Reflect
-PhalanxIII
-SlowIII
-ParalyzeIII
-Demi
-StoneskinII
-Haste2/Hastega
-RaiseII
-CureV
-GravityII
and a lot more in 4 levels?

What you temper-tantrum RDMs don't realize is "temper" is going to be pretty much it for you.
A last ditch effort from SE to toss RDMs a useless toy.
You will be forever banned to solo play.
DRGs will pity you
PUPs will pity you
BST will refuse to invite you to his animal farm.

Interesting detail... They already said there would be a new meirt system for 99. Do you really think if they added those spells you'd be able to learn them all. If they were to be added it'd be through that system as it'd limit the amount you could learn.

Besides like you (PLD's) RDM's like their job no matter how useless it is, again like you (PLD's) and are hopeful good will come by 99.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If they made hastega into a spell I can tell what job will not be getting it. Phalanx II was already uncapped so I don't see them making a third. Rdm is getting Raise 2 next update.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

If they made hastega into a spell I can tell what job will not be getting it. Phalanx II was already uncapped so I don't see them making a third. Rdm is getting Raise 2 next update.

I'd rather Haste II over Hastega, even if it means I'd be needing to cast in on everyone like it is now.

[saevel]

Don't ya like it how eventually every last detractors argument boils down to the exact same lines.

Ultimately none of this matter, SE has already stated their bringing RDM to the front line, and now their going about holding true to their word. Their even listening to feedback and working on things. Its that last part that has the anti-melee crowd in a huge uproar, that SE actually listened. For years the "lolMeleeRDM" group has been assured that SE would ~never~ add anything of significance to "lolMeleeRDM". That just changed and now their going nuts.

I mean we've got mainly PLD's and BLU's coming on here telling us what "RDM" should have and what we should be doing, kinda hilarious. RDM is the only job where I've seen other jobs think they can tell you want to do.

[Rayik]

If you put this spell, or red mage melee in general in a bubble, it is all great news. I have a problem with it because I know how long it takes them to add / improve / implement things (if they ever get around to them at all), and Solo Melee abilities are the least of red mage worries IMHO.

I mean honestly. Its like giving a homeless derelict <red mage> a helicopter <solo only melee spell> .... everyone would love to have their own helicopter<solo only melee spell>... but did you really help that guy? He can't even <melee anything worth a damn> fly it.

What's your melee gear set look like? Are your melee skills capped? Hmmm?

Not so much replying to Frank directly, but just using his comment as an example. I ask because I see a lot of detractors say how worthless melee is, then they have squat for gear or skills for it. Of course it's going to be worthless if you've put zero effort into it!

I've had the prviledge of melee'ing alongside some other RDM's recently(no parse, trash mobs in Aby), and the anti-melee stigma is so harsh, most RDM's are scared to even bother making an attempt at doing it well. I see so many RDM's melee with uncapped skill, in MAGE GEAR, and then sulk about how worthless it is.

If my WAR was doing WS's in Haste gear, it'd be pretty worthless too.

All I'm asking is, have you tried it? Have you put forth a shred of effort into making it worthwhile? Or did you simply follow the status quo, just read message boards, do what you were told, stood in the back, and buffed everyone else like a good doggie...

I'm not saying RDM melee at the moment is anything great, but it's decent, and only getting better. If SE pulls through with the WS adjustment like I'd like to think they will, I think people will be singing a different tune. New gear(that sword looks badass), new spells like Temper and possible adjustments to Enspells, possible access to WS like Vorpal Blade, yeah, I think it's at least a possibility that RDM melee can be decent.

If not, then I will happily eat humble pie, and end my crusade. Seriously.

[Rayik]

Don't ya like it how eventually every last detractors argument boils down to the exact same lines.

Ultimately none of this matter, SE has already stated their bringing RDM to the front line, and now their going about holding true to their word. Their even listening to feedback and working on things. Its that last part that has the anti-melee crowd in a huge uproar, that SE actually listened. For years the "lolMeleeRDM" group has been assured that SE would ~never~ add anything of significance to "lolMeleeRDM". That just changed and now their going nuts.

I mean we've got mainly PLD's and BLU's coming on here telling us what "RDM" should have and what we should be doing, kinda hilarious. RDM is the only job where I've seen other jobs think they can tell you want to do.

Agreed. The thing that kills me about this. Absolutely kills me, is that this entire anti/pro melee thing is nothing more than an argument over preference. Individual, personal play style. People get so wound up in how everybody else "should" be playing that they have the nerve to step onto your porch, and tell you how to plant your garden... What color to paint your house...

Get off my lawn.

If someone's play style has a negative impact in a group setting, then it's that group's problem... Not yours. Don't want to melee on RDM? Then don't do it. Simple. If you enjoy a mage-only play style, then continue enjoying it. Nobody is taking that away from you.

[saevel]

Ray,

No they haven't tried it, of the few detractors that are actually RDM's, none of them have put forth effort to make a melee build due to the stigma attached. This is why it's pointless to try to argue against them, their arguing out ignorance and you can't argue with an ignorant person.

[SpankWustler]

Really, "Red Mage melee suks u hit 4 1-10 damange lulz" is a lame argument. Red Mage has a pretty similar TP set to Blue Mage, mostly falling behind in the weapon skill gear department. It's certainly not going to compare to a Warrior, Monk, Dragoon, or the like; but pretty much any job can engage fodder as well as certain Notorious Monsters and perform tolerably nowadays and an Almace-equipped Red Mage certainly isn't at the bottom of the pack.

Meleeing on Red Mage is often ill-advised because it's such an awesome mage, not because it's magically more awful than other mediocre melee jobs in spite of having similar numbers.