[dev1024] Job Adjustments - Scarlet Delirium

[Madawc]

New numbers tho!

Base Rng.Dmg: 321, 1789 HP

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	%HPlost

447	359	38	11.8	24.986%

491	362	41	12.7	27.445%



Base Rng.Dmg: 321, 2053 HP

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	%HPlost

461	356	35	10.9	22.455%

613	365	44	13.7	29.858%

Also: Did convert after I get nuked to get less HP, didnt change a thing.

[Madawc]

"The limit is set much higher, and the closer you are to dying, the more damage is dealt to the opponent."

This can be misinterpreted. I have tested by getting nuked by 447 dmg and ending up below 100HP. And the DMG is still only proportional to the HP lost.

Base Rng.Dmg: 321

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	Diff%	Diff%/InDmg	

487	362	41	12.77	0.0841	0.0262

595	372	51	15.88	0.0857	0.0266

718	385	64	19.93	0.0891	0.0277

955	407	86	26.79	0.0900	0.0281


Base Rng.Dmg: 321, 1789 HP

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	%HPlost

447	359	38	11.8	24.986%

491	362	41	12.7	27.445%



Base Rng.Dmg: 321, 2053 HP

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	%HPlost

461	356	35	10.9	22.455%

613	365	44	13.7	29.858%


Base Rng.Dmg: 321, 1737 HP

Indmg	Outdmg	Diff	DmgUp%	%HPlost

447	359	38	11.83	25.73

718	385	64	19.94	41.34

955	407	86	26.79	54.98

[Urteil]

Let's say you take 955 damage and gain that bonus of 27%?

If you get hit for 1 damage .01 seconds after it completely resets the bonus right?

[Rezeak]

Let's say you take 955 damage and gain that bonus of 27%?

If you get hit for 1 damage .01 seconds after it completely resets the bonus right?

Nope if the 955 is the first DMG after u used SD you will keep the 27% buff for the 1 min

[Madawc]

You pop ability, icon is red-circle (absorb mode), after 1 hit, it turnst into a sword icon. From there on you got a +%dmg on melee and magic attacks.

This could just be a job trait IMO that gives a boost to dmg for severly inflicting damage, like the dmg a NIN can nullify...

Having more abilities and spells which "halts" regular swinging is just retarded now...

[Selzak]

Why would they increase the duration of the absorb on that to 180 seconds...? Three minutes to take a single hit, right? Then it turns into the sword icon for 60 seconds?

That just doesn't make much sense...

[Madawc]

Yes, you pop and and wait to get AoE'd. Or "tactically" use it faster then an enemy can WS you directly while tanking.

Either way, it is a stupid way of implementing it. upto ~500 dmg you only get 13% dmg boost. You want atleast 20% for get that minute worthwhile. Should you lose 99% of your HP you are looking at +49% dmg for 1 minute.

If SE had some brains they would make this a Job TRAIT which procs if you lose more then 50% of your HP. Like NINs Migawari: "severely damaging attacks."

[Muras]

You know... I don't think I want this ability. I don't want to play DRK like this. Can't SE see that this is terrible? This isn't going to help anyone, the DRK or his party. If anything you'll see situations like this:

*Mob begins casting Blizzaga IV*
DRK: Ooooh!
*DRK runs into range*
*Everyone in range eats Blizzaga IV*
Everyone else: Why didn't you stun that!?
DRK: Pft, Scarlet Delirium of course! Derp.

Of course, only terrible DRKs will do that. I myself on the other hand will just never use the stupid ability. I'm not going to endanger myself and possibly my party by purposely acting stupid and getting myself killed. SE is basically asking us to act like idiots with this ability.

I dunno about other players, but I find it a little insulting that I'm being told I can't possibly be playing or doing it "right" because something is new and that it'll take me time to adjust to the effects. This game is 9 years old, and I've been playing since PC launch (October 30th 2003, says so right in my SE account for Rise of the Zilart pack). I also study game design and business in real life. I'm not trying to be elitist, but I'm trying to stress that I and many other players have enough experience to know when something isn't right. It only takes a little imagination to know exactly how to use something, especially in a 9 year old game. Mob AI isn't gonna suddenly change because of this ability. NIN isn't gonna tank any differently. WHMs aren't gonna heal any differently. It's easy to see exactly where this ability has it's uses, and it's not many.

I just don't understand why I have to "risk" so much on DRK for something that isn't even mediocre. I hate this sacrifice and risk theme. DRK is supposed to be a job that's powerful and selfish, the total opposite of sacrifice. It's PLD that's supposed to be sacrificing itself for the well-being of his comrades. I don't think I care what the dev team says, they are wrong. Both in theory and in design. I'm not trying to insult them by saying that though, I have a great respect for them and what they've done... They've made a great game overall. But nobody is perfect, and in this case they're just dead wrong. Case in point: You know their vision of balance is off when they feel taking most or ALL our TP for an ability is a good thing, but if you go in the other direction and give a little TP (Like SCH's Adloquium) all the sudden it's a big problem.

We have many DRKs trying to make it better, with so many great ideas. Even if the Dev team thinks something is overpowered, let's just TRY it in it's "overpowered" state on the test server and find out. That's what the darn thing is for isn't it? Let's try to start from the high end of things and tone it down IF it needs it, rather than starting from the bottom. We'll get better results that way.

At this point it's obvious they're just being stubborn. And I know they ARE trying to listen at least. But please, can't they just give us the benefit of the doubt? I want them to take some of the ideas we've given, overpowered or not, and add them to the test server. Best case scenario is a community rep creates a thread asking for everyone to post fixes and they all come under review by the dev team, and they add them to the test server to see if they're really good ideas or not.

I really believe we won't get any real results unless all us DRKs fight against this sacrifice and risk theme. We've had 15 levels of virtually nothing since 75, soon to be 20. After that, we have only 4 more levels to get something useful. Time is running out. If we want cool and useful stuff like what SAM is always getting, we gotta get rid of the sacrifice and risk theme. If DRK is at 0, and the buff is +1 and the sacrifice is a -1, what do you get? We're still at 0.

[NeoLionheart]

You know... I don't think I want this ability. I don't want to play DRK like this. Can't SE see that this is terrible? This isn't going to help anyone, the DRK or his party.....

.....SE is basically asking us to act like idiots with this ability.

.....I dunno about other players, but I find it a little insulting that I'm being told I can't possibly be playing or doing it "right" because something is new and that it'll take me time to adjust to the effects.

....I just don't understand why I have to "risk" so much on DRK for something that isn't even mediocre.

.....We have many DRKs trying to make it better, with so many great ideas. Even if the Dev team thinks something is overpowered, [b]let's just TRY it in it's "overpowered" state on the test server and find out.

At this point it's obvious they're just being stubborn. And I know they ARE trying to listen at least. But please, can't they just give us the benefit of the doubt? I want them to take some of the ideas we've given, overpowered or not, and add them to the test server. Best case scenario is a community rep creates a thread asking for everyone to post fixes and they all come under review by the dev team, and they add them to the test server to see if they're really good ideas or not.

I really believe we won't get any real results unless all us DRKs fight against this sacrifice and risk theme. We've had 15 levels of virtually nothing since 75, soon to be 20. After that, we have only 4 more levels to get something useful. Time is running out. If we want cool and useful stuff like what SAM is always getting, we gotta get rid of the sacrifice and risk theme. If DRK is at 0, and the buff is +1 and the sacrifice is a -1, what do you get? We're still at 0.

Couldn't of said it better myself, hit it right on the nose.

[Muras]

In many cases, dangerous special abilities and magic that are used by the opponent can be halted by Stun, but there are instances where Stun does not work or cannot be cast due to recast timers. There are also instances where players will have to take the damage from some attacks in order to stop more powerful attacks instead.

I forgot to go into a little detail with this too. Yes, there're moves we can't stun. However, like in the past, our party will often ask melee to be outside of range and only to run in and WS in order to avoid those impossible to stun moves, because getting hit with those AoE is stupid. Just because we have incentive to now ignore this, doesn't mean we're going to do it. This will only hurt DRK. People will get the mindset that it'll be easier to just avoid bringing DRK altogether to make sure someone doesn't try to make use of Scarlet Delirium. Those WHMs will still have to suddenly cure someone they otherwise wouldn't need to cure, you know? MP is precious outside Abyssea. Nobody will enjoy healing me. My drains certainly won't help on "very strong opponents", either.