[dev1024] Job Adjustments - Scarlet Delirium

[Jar]

it doesnt even show that half of you are 95 drks <.< stop bitching

[Chriscoffey]

Because Relics are hard to get when you can duo 250 currency a day? If you really wanted a Relic, you could get 500 currency a day easily now. And the prices will probably drop now with how easy CoP Dyna made currency to get.

Ok a Relic may be slightly harder to get than an Ukon but the difference definitely isn't that big anymore. I wish it was because I hated how easy Empy's were to get but Relics really aren't much harder to get now.

My friend arcanes got his Uko in a day of playing. You can't even get a relic in a day and that's IF you even had all the currency farmed up. The ONLY reason the difference isn't as big is because people who had relics raised hell and didn't just accept things as it was. This is along the same lines as SD where a few of you believe the rest of us should shut the hell up BUT would accept a better change if SE decided too.This is nothing short of hypocrisy.

[Soidisant]

So your friend killed 41 NMs, farmed at least 25+ Glavoid pops and then killed those 25 Glavoid's all in the same day? Believeable.

Yes we wouldn't complain if Scarlet Delirium was improved but the critical part is this. Does it need improving? No. It does not warrant the huge QQ fest and general throwing your toys out of the pram, even being as extreme as saying it should be deleted. It comes across terribly snd makes DRKs look like whining children who are just upset they are not the outright best DD. With the way some people talk it's like they want an AH DRK to beat an Ukon WAR.

[Urteil]

Because Relics are hard to get when you can duo 250 currency a day? If you really wanted a Relic, you could get 500 currency a day easily now. And the prices will probably drop now with how easy CoP Dyna made currency to get.

Ok a Relic may be slightly harder to get than an Ukon but the difference definitely isn't that big anymore. I wish it was because I hated how easy Empy's were to get but Relics really aren't much harder to get now.

The above might be true Jem and despite quoting you I am not directly attacking you below, and even if it is easier it really isn't. . . Caladbolg. Its much different and is still and undertaking.






Every Dark Knight in this thread using their relic as the standard to balance the job:

"Scarlet Delirium is good, I have a relic. Go get one. Makes the ability great! I can heal myself!"

No other job does this, no other job expects this.

Relics are easy now? Empyreans are easy now? Everything is easy now? Where does this stop?

Its not 'that' easy, I don't see as many Apocalypse as I do Caladbolgs.

And now when its convenient we tear down the 'pedestal' that relics occupy simply to prove our point do we?

Bullshit.






Its not about being the best DD, its not about doing the most melee damage. God knows I am not a proponent of DARK KNIGHT DOIN DA MOST MELEE DEEPS.

Honestly if this was true . . . who's going to fucking play warrior, that's all they have! Let them have it!

Its about shit making sense, its about the ability not having piss poor execution.





Niche use. Situational.

Do you think that championing an ability that is half-baked at best and requires a 200m gil weapon to be functional is logical, dare I say 'fair' or even contain a shred of sense?

A weapon that (and this is being generous) probably less than 3% of the population will ever see?


It shouldn't be so specialized when ever other job is handed SOLID GOLD. Is it so much to ask for a minor tweak that makes it viable to a broader audience?

Why didn't they just put Scarlet Delirum on Apocalypse?!








And if you really feel that its feasible to attack my ability play Dark Knight execute its abilities or use it in a myriad of situations; Think again.

Come to my server, I'll pay for your transfer.

I can give you a proper thrashing and beat you around like a ping-pong ball and expand upon the capacities and show you how little you truly understand the holistic and full-on application of your beloved Vana'Diel profession.

The simple fact that a weapon that could honestly be considered a thing that defines the 1% as being a legitimate basis to balance a job is staggering and it is of my opinion that you need some sense knocked into you.








Tanking, Group, Aftermath Executable, DD set, and WS sets. Wow, life is so hard, its so tough to play this job.

PvE is so tough - you truly have mastered a rotation that only few could hope to master, the constant switching between PDT and DD and WS sets.

Let's be real: The hardest thing about it is timing your WS so you don't overTP.

And there you have it folks, the /hardest/ thing by far to do in PvE, and on that record let's balance Dark Knight around Apocalypse!




Go back to the waterfall, flip off the Elvaan and throw it back into the river.

[Soidisant]

Why on earth do you need an Apoc to make use out of it?

Ok without Apoc you cannot easily cure back the HP but that doesn't mean you cannot use it. People bring up the argument that it makes it harder on WHM's which I do not buy. Yes, the WHM's have to cure you without Apoc but if it was not you there taking damage as a DRK, then it would be another DD there instead taking the exact same damage.

When I don't go on DRK, my LS don't suddenly go 'Oh we won't fill that DD slot up', they put another DD in that slot instead who will then still be meleeing away in AoE range and taking damage. The exact same damage that a non-Apoc DRK would take if they were in that position. It makes it no harder on the WHM at all.

And Calad is still a fantastic weapon. It's hardly like it gets absolutely trounced outside of Abyssea. A Calad DRK can more than pull their weight DD wise outside Abyssea, especially in low support situations or when DD's are /NIN making Desperate Blows a more significant advantage.

[Chriscoffey]

So your friend killed 41 NMs, farmed at least 25+ Glavoid pops and then killed those 25 Glavoid's all in the same day? Believeable.

Yes we wouldn't complain if Scarlet Delirium was improved but the critical part is this. Does it need improving? No. It does not warrant the huge QQ fest and general throwing your toys out of the pram, even being as extreme as saying it should be deleted. It comes across terribly snd makes DRKs look like whining children who are just upset they are not the outright best DD. With the way some people talk it's like they want an AH DRK to beat an Ukon WAR.

I will say that i was a bit misleading and he started at the VNM portion of the trial so not all the NMs. It wouldn't take more than a day to do the NMs up to that point but you are indeed right in saying its not a full trial amount. We could argue the semantics of how easy one is over another but none of them are hard to get they just take more time to complete.

I don't know of anyone who even with the millions of gil to buy currency that could buy it fast enough considering the amount in general it takes. You posting that it's easy to get 500 currency a day is quite asanine like me not mentioning he started at the VNMs. That is going to be a LS event based amount and unless everyone has agreed to do X weapon then you are looking more like 70-200 range going solo/low man.

Mythics are by far the harder of the 3 no doubt about that at least in requirements. Relics are going to take you 2 months and empyrean 2-3 weeks with slight help or take time depending on how many help and efficiency.

[Soidisant]

Actually, I wasn't trying to mislead. Before the latest update I agree that total would be impossible lowman but with how CoP zones are now it's entirely possible. We entered Tav last night as WHM DRK NIN THF and got 289 currency (no 100's) and that was entering blind with no information about how the zone had changed. We only tried proccing half the mobs and were not farming efficient mobs (i.e. mobs that we could proc 100% of the time). I'm confident if we entered with the same set-up again, we could get 500+ if we entered solely aiming to get as much currency as possible.

Basically in CoP zones now there are huge clusters of mobs that will always be JA/WS/Magic proccable (I.e. whole camps of WS mobs or JA mobs instead of a mix like city dyna). So you could target WS proc mobs and Aeolian them down or target JA mobs and spam DNC JA's on them. And they haven't had their level changed since 75 cap so they're pathetically weak. And they don't 2hr like beastmen. If you don't use SJ's you can also get 100's off normal mobs.

And when I said 500 a day, I meant farming half and buying half. You'd struggle to get 500 duo farming I think. 200-300 duo is 100% consistently possible though because people are already regularly doing it.

[Chriscoffey]

Well are those 100s off the jobs a glitch or something that will stay? If not then i know where I'm going to complete my apocalypse and thanks for the info. I haven't been playing much since i have been working my ass off lately.

I also see how you could construe how relics are easy now. That is a bit pathetic they made them that easy but still not quite as easy as empyrean.

[Dart]

considering the last stage of empy. I'm not sure we can lump them into "empy are easy" with 100% accuracy. I wonder if empy's will be trolled like relics originally were. 2000 cata kills for +basedmg. I can see them doing that with this update. 1500 metal plates for more base dmg and a couple more to the stat of each weapon. It would be fitting in a way.

[Dart]

it doesnt even show that half of you are 95 drks <.< stop bitching

GET OUT MAIN JOB LVL95 BLU! >O