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    Player Motenten's Avatar
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    After checking a lot of comparisons inside and outside Abyssea, it looks like:

    Neck order:
    Rancor > Calcitrant > Faith

    Earring order:
    Moonshade > Aesir > Tantra > Bruiser, except for Faith where Moonshade > Bruiser > Aesir > Tantra

    Calcitrant+Moonshade beats Rancor+anything-but-Moonshade, but otherwise Rancor+anything beats everything else, and Calcitrant+anything beats Faith+anything.

    This assumes the Calcitrant Stole provides +10 kick damage, since it comes 11 levels after our last kick damage upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motenten View Post
    After checking a lot of comparisons inside and outside Abyssea, it looks like:

    Neck order:
    Rancor > Calcitrant > Faith

    Earring order:
    Moonshade > Aesir > Tantra > Bruiser, except for Faith where Moonshade > Bruiser > Aesir > Tantra

    Calcitrant+Moonshade beats Rancor+anything-but-Moonshade, but otherwise Rancor+anything beats everything else, and Calcitrant+anything beats Faith+anything.

    This assumes the Calcitrant Stole provides +10 kick damage, since it comes 11 levels after our last kick damage upgrade.
    what gear sets / merits are factoring in and can you post the ACC levels of all along with the dps etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    what gear sets / merits are factoring in and can you post the ACC levels of all along with the dps etc.
    ^, if at all possible.

    Or a link to an Alla thread, if it was posted there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    what gear sets / merits are factoring in and can you post the ACC levels of all along with the dps etc.
    In uncapped acc neither rancor, faith or calcitrant should be > to ziel charm and moonshade can be +acc instead of +att. In uncapped acc moonshade (regain+acc) + ziel charm should come ahead of all setups since the crit on Rancor or the +damage or +attack on other gear doesn't contribute to WS frequency. I belive his comparison is capped acc. I think also that rancor in uncapped acc is a lot of sacrifice for little benefit over something like ziel charm.

    Also I beileve he is inputting numbers in his spreadsheet so do the same and verify the math behind. I checked the WS frequency calculations long ago and they were correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motenten View Post
    After checking a lot of comparisons inside and outside Abyssea, it looks like:

    Neck order:
    Rancor > Calcitrant > Faith

    Earring order:
    Moonshade > Aesir > Tantra > Bruiser, except for Faith where Moonshade > Bruiser > Aesir > Tantra
    Which moonshade? Regain one or TPbonus one? I assume the regain one since we're talking about melee sets and not WS ones?
    And also really? Tantra? o.O
    Are you saying that we, like expected, got "Kick Attacks III" job trait at level 91? But still, I find it difficult to believe Tantra is in front of the rest.

    And did you try a combination of faith + Tantra gloves + Bruiser + Ring? 412+7+7+3+5, assuming 8 merits. That bring us to 434.
    Ehr... actually earring isn't necessary, you break tier with just the ring. So you could put moonshade or aesir there I guess.
    But it depends on the gear you have equipped and wether or not Bruiser brings you up a tier or not, if for some reason it does then it's a nice ear option imho, certainly better than Aesir (altough probably not much) and probably inferior to Regain Moonshade, just like you said.

    Still I wonder, would the ring be worth equipping over Rajas? Because I doubt you could swap your Epona for it, but Rajas... not like we really need Rajas that much, we don't have X-hit builds which need the Stp, the Subtle Blow is welcome but unnecessary, and STR+5/DEX+5 are nice but give a lower return on 1hand jobs. So I think it might be worth getting that ring for a bit of acc, a bit of att (more than Rajas would provide) and +1 base damage.
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