MNK/WAR tank I'm confused Please Assist

[Shadowsong]

Jeez, I think that last post gave me eye cancer.

THF isn't a DD? Who have you been playing with? Voidwatch is bad? This is my first experience with pchan, is he trolling?

[Gokku]

no hes 100% serious. but sadly not 100% wrong nore right, to most people thf isnt a DD and very few thfs you encounter could even be called more then dead weight * hello all the thfs on carby without max TH gear wtf *

honestly my thf isnt a "DD" its a dyna th and proc whore and sack puller.

[Greatguardian]

Jeez, I think that last post gave me eye cancer.

THF isn't a DD? Who have you been playing with? Voidwatch is bad? This is my first experience with pchan, is he trolling?

He is incapable of not trolling. You're better off just not paying any attention to him or his mule sock puppet accounts.

Edit: And he plays with himself. And one friend. And that's it. Two people, 4 mules.

[Shadowsong]

The biggest thing that confused me was PLD using HP gear.

[Gokku]

well his argument with pld having a better body is semi incorrect af3+2 body does cap out @ 10% DT , BUT thats if a pld can get that much hate over all a static 8% will do you better with that extra tp bonus going alot farther even if it caps @ 13 tp or w/e a hit.

[CrAZYVIC]

Thief have all arsenal, gear, Job abilities and strong WS. For be a great Deal damager.

Even having all this and post abbysea. Depends of the player mentality the way thief will be used.

Examples: People is lving monk for tank only, they dont have plans of parse his monk in einjerhar or dynamis. People only lv up whm for use that only in abbysea, with infinite mp and for low man with friends NMS, they dont have plans for take a main heal in dynamis or in einjerhar. The same problem is with thief, people just lv up that for tank weak NMS and TH.

If is a player with Thief career. The thief willl be a great deal damager.

In abbysea a skilled Thief, can keep up in damage with any competent DD Warrior included. (Talking about people know what is doing, swaping gear, having haste capped, having good atmas. Not talking about full pinky, or full perle gear DDS)

Outside of abbysea, in einjerhar, dynamis, limbus. a Skilled thief can Keep up but not outparse a equal skilled player using Two handed job.

Sadly but outside of abbysea a 4 hit build sam, a 5 hit build drk, war and drg are superior than DW jobs.

[Rearden]

Thief have all arsenal, gear, Job abilities and strong WS. For be a great Deal damager.

Even having all this and post abbysea. Depends of the player mentality the way thief will be used.

Examples: People is lving monk for tank only, they dont have plans of parse his monk in einjerhar or dynamis. People only lv up whm for use that only in abbysea, with infinite mp and for low man with friends NMS, they dont have plans for take a main heal in dynamis or in einjerhar. The same problem is with thief, people just lv up that for tank weak NMS and TH.

If is a player with Thief career. The thief willl be a great deal damager.

In abbysea a skilled Thief, can keep up in damage with any competent DD Warrior included. (Talking about people know what is doing, swaping gear, having haste capped, having good atmas. Not talking about full pinky, or full perle gear DDS)

Outside of abbysea, in einjerhar, dynamis, limbus. a Skilled thief can Keep up but not outparse a equal skilled player using Two handed job.

Sadly but outside of abbysea a 4 hit build sam, a 5 hit build drk, war and drg are superior than DW jobs.

I bolded the only factual portion of your statement

[Psxpert2011]

Ok ive been seeing this whole new way of mnk tanking that i don't fully understand and apparently some people swear by it. MNK/WAR tanking, i don't get it, when i tank on mnk i /nin for the shadows so i don't catch some of the tp moves and stuff like water V and the like. So i don't understand the reason that mnks are using /war to tank now, i can understand on shadow munchers like turul, though i have never fought turul, but other than that shouldnt /nin still be a must? I understand the defense boast as well from /war but i cant see how that gives enough to make it a viable tanking subjob were you could just as easier sub dnc and violent flourish dangerous attacks. to cut things short im not saying that /war doesn't make sense, im just saying that it doesn't make sense to me. So if anyone could tell me the reason for it and some strategies of how to use it i would appreciate it cuz it will defiantly save me some gil

I'm sorry that your post went neglected and after awhile derailed into other subject which are of no concern. We're speaking and I'm on the same boat as you Kajikuro, I can get a bit confused about what make Mnk a good tank like Paladins are.

There's bias toward ninjas being the tank of choice and also leaning into low-maning partys because people don't want the drama a the wait of normal party set-up (which this MMO was originally intended for). If these subject that really don't help the OP escalates and becomes a troll-fest, just post your own thread.

My opinion agrees with /war being situational aswell as /nin. There's nothing that's better than other unless you count the rest of your party in support. I want to build up my Mnk for Guarding/Countering so I can tank too. I don't want to rely on /nin unless the situation ask for it (see Gokkus post for details). /Nin doesn't make you a better tank, your just prepared for what's coming because shadows are your friend in the situation. I couldn't care less if Ninja was compared over Paladin because it's not a tank. The proper gear and skills ordains you to hold hate, take dmg and stay alive. If you(the OP) can build up your mnk and learn and get the gear and skill you h2h and guard, no matter what sub you have on, you can be a great tank. Play the way you want but study it and take some of the advice from the experience people here.

Please respect the topic at hand and stop derailing the subject. I want to wish the OP much luck and hope you found your answer already. If the OP is satisfied and found his answer, you should be able to 'LOCK' this thread. Good luck!

[Monchat]

1. That first body is the best Mercy Stroke and Rudra's Storm body outside Abyssea, no SA or TA because I know you're not going to try and pretend THF stacks them often in 2011. Among, I'm sure, other uses.
2. Really? Please show me either a PDT or MDT body for Warrior or Paladin with higher than 8%, not forgetting that Retaliation tanking this should produce ridiculous amounts of TP and therefore be the best DD body also, despite the lack of any other melee stats.
3. I posted it mostly for SAM, I guess you can write that off as an irrelevant job if you like, I'll give you that one.
4. RDM is still the best Salvage healer, for example, while YOU may have capped Salvage gear that doesn't make you right.

I'll continue this argument after the patch when we find out which other pieces are from Voidwatch.

You've got to admit, if that's the only decent gear we get tonoght from the update there will be many angry players lol. I'm holding my breath and hoping for the AF2+2 to not suck and whatever comes from WoE to be good [ and I know we do not get AF2+2 tomorrow]. But if you remember back a the lv 80 update, after 10mn of reading the DAT mining threads everyone realized the new stuff replaced 80% of the 75 gear, and they were not small side grates, most great boosts ( and all were Ab-vision gear that is largely irreleveant now).

[MarkovChain]

Looks like the BG crowd is trying to spread wrong info on forums since yesterday btw. They refer to an obscur JP blog where the guy says getting 1/12 on armor plates per kill will suck and mentions it as a proof of HMP (heavy metal plates) coming from VoidWatch, while in reality the blog doesn't show any pic of HMP dropping (does however show a hi potion drop,a mantis eye and a fire crystal in the pool). POIDH ? lol.

It could come from there or not, but really, facepalm on the bullshit info.