Why do people hate Hvergelmir?

[Yamimarik44]

Hello all! I'm Yamimarikk from Bismarck, I recently acquired the lvl 85 Hvergelmir Empyrean staff, and I was overjoyed at obtaining this staff finally! I'm lvl 90 SMN main and having an Empyrean weapon for my main job makes me smile! I know I don't have the patience and determination to make a Relic or Mythic Weapon at all, so making an Empyrean for my Summoner actually made me not think twice about ever making Claustrum or Nirvanna. Anyways one thing I don't understand is what people actually have against this staff? I mean for any of the 3 jobs it can be used for, yes we all know that the WS doesn't do any damage, it isn't as formidable as say Ukonvasara or Kannagi, we all get that, and I even understand this myself, I only use this staff for fun, or to show off or even to use in Abyssea with Atma of the Sea Daughter instead of Minikin to switch it up, constantly keeping my MP up through Myrkr. Even WHM's get less sass if they wish to make a Gambanteinn, so I would like everyone's outlook and opinion on this Empyrean weapon and why it's the most loathed Empyrean weapon in the game by those who don't understand it I guess. Reason I bring this topic up is because someone I know has followed all her LS's rules and does events regularly with said LS and yet the LS doesn't wana take the time and effort to make the weapon for her, but are willing to make other Empyreans in a timely fashion for other members.

[Limecat]

Because they tried to pronounce it and ended up bursting into tears after several hours of confusion.

[Bubeeky]

I don't have one myself, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because the weapon doesn't have magical bonuses like MAB or Perp- or w/e...these days, MP+ is easy to come by and Myrkyr only works if you melee obviously, so I'd imagine that the hate comes from the fact that this big bad mage-specific weapon has decidedly melee-specific benefits.

[Yamimarik44]

Well no, Myrkr is a ranged WS you can use the WS w/ Regain Atma/Regain and get back the MP w/o ever getting too close to the battle, and my point was that it shouldn't be an issue how the user will be using it, if this person followed the LS's rules to a T and is still denied help despite all the work she's done for the LS and what not is that fair? Just because the LS wouldn't see "full" benefits as they may see it from this Staff? Isn't it her choice to choose which weapon she wants to make?

But Thank you very much Bubeeky I appreciate your insight on this, and your feedback which is what I wanted.

[Bubeeky]

Glad to be of help

[Kyrial]

Not that I agree with this point of view, but I think that some people might see it as that the weapons for melees (or even the shield or harp) are helping not only the player who is wielding them, but improves their performance when fighting serious stuff with said groups, and thus helps the group as a whole. Whereas weapons like Hvergelmir and Gambanteinn are seen more as weapons that are just for messing around with on your own or with friends, and not something for use in serious fights.

[Yamimarik44]

Not that I agree with this point of view, but I think that some people might see it as that the weapons for melees (or even the shield or harp) are helping not only the player who is wielding them, but improves their performance when fighting serious stuff with said groups, and thus helps the group as a whole. Whereas weapons like Hvergelmir and Gambanteinn are seen more as weapons that are just for messing around with on your own or with friends, and not something for use in serious fights.

Unfortunately I feel this is the mindset of said LS to this person. They don't want to hurry along with her Empyrean weapon, even though she has followed said rules and used said points to obtain lotting and helping rights, and is now being overlooked just because the weapon isn't going to contribute to the LS as a whole. I think though they fail to realize that if they keep overlooking this player, they may lose her as I've heard her wanting to leave the LS and maybe finding a new server as well to play on.

As that's being said, thank you Kyrial for your input on the matter I appreciate all feedback on better understanding why people act this way towards helping friends/LS mates make this staff.

[tfun90]

It's always up to the individual to decide how to spend their capitol with the LS. If they do something I deem worthless, they're still doing everyone else's things next. If they're having a problem converting their capitol into rewards, perhaps they should examine what they bring to the table. If they aren't high attendance, full attention people (constantly afk mid-run), then they should expect slower rewards. Heck, one good attendance streak at the right point in time got me the entire sky god's set and w.legs in a month back when it meant something. Granted I practically led the LS and donated time and triggers for bonus points with co-leads.

I guess my point is that valuable, proactive members have less trouble getting their goods.

[Yamimarik44]

I guess my point is that valuable, proactive members have less trouble getting their goods.

This person is a very active WHM in this LS is always helping and doing what is needed of the LS. That was my point this person helps the LS from what I've seen and what I've been told by other LS members from the LS. What I was trying to get at was, if this person is doing what is told of them and is helpful, and wants to spend their points their way, why should it matter how they do it? Should you not help them out regardless of the reward they seek? As long as they're contributing what needs to be contributed?

This wasn't insightful at all. I'm sorry but I'm trying to find aspects as to why people hate the weapon in general. Not question the player in questions work ethic towards said LS.

[Raksha]

Imagine a DRK in your ls wanted help getting a novio so he could spend all of his time nuking instead of meleeing.

That's kinda how i see hverglemir (oppositely, of course)