A Simple Request from Thieves: An upgrade to Thief's Knife.

[CapriciousOne]

You may have read it, but you misunderstood it. 50TP was one example, you replied to that one example but not to the general problem it addressed which I then further expanded upon. It was one example to show the general problem. Quite why you decided to take that as an absolute, replying to exactly 50TP, I just do not know.

Holy fuck. You are a complete moron. I'm done trying to be civil with you, you're a giant retard.

LOL at being civil with me when the fact is I have been doing nothing but be civil with everybody on here but whatever the tp for that specific weapon skill affects the accuracy of it and the likely hood of all 5 hits landing without the help of say SA or TA, the baseline accuracy. TP bonus by itself calculates the damage of the ws as if it was being executed at 200tp and tp bonus +100 does the same with an additional 100 tp bonus for a total of 200 tp bonus so the ws would execute as if it was being done at 300tp, how is that not understood?

I also responded to that specific 50 tp response you gave because the fact is my response is different upon changing circumstances I dont live by a one size fit all situations mentality. That general problem you posed is a non issue for me because of that mentality and is a non issue for me as a result whether its 10, 50 or 85 tp. In any case any additional tp is just used to heal me or a party member so that I can start fresh or switch to another weapon like I do all the time when changing the ws trial on which i'm currently working. In any case fuck you and just continue to have your little problem crying over a few lousy tp or dmg when there is multiple ways to make up for that lost and overall it doesnt affect the party ability to get the job done all that much. I myself dont care all damage is good damage and is more damage dealt than if they werent there at all and every little bit helps to kill the mob.

[noodles355]

[CapriciousOne]

We get it. You just came in here to piss people off and start an argument. Good job. Major bonus points for slipping in the O-hat thing. That was genius. You will never win this argument, so congratulations on finding a place to forever argue and annoy. FYI, people like you who have no idea how Treasure Hunter work, and love to force their opinions on people are the reason that we have to use that piece of crap dagger, even in situations where its really not necessary.

On a funny side note, you should go to the war or sam forums and try telling them that your swapping out your Great Axe / Great Katana after every WS on war or sam to reset your TP, and see how long it takes people to start calling you names. Then explain to everyone that is just a little TP, and thiefs do it all the time, so whats the big deal?..... Bonus points for posting screen shots of peoples responses.

Well frank you just proved my earlier point you are going to see things how you going to see it no matter what I say to the contrary and that is ok I expect no less of people these days. I simply expressed my views on the issue and what I felt would be a better alternative to resolve what I felt was the real issue with Treasure Hunter, the overall randomness of procing to improve the effectiveness of the trait. The bottom line is whether it is a thief in 2011 or 1830 thief are always searching for a way to maximize their haul and I dont feel this is accurately reflected in the game.

Funny thing to me is that everybody here assumes they know exactly how Treasure Hunter works as if they are the ones who spent the man hours creating the formulas and implementations of it in the game to make these assertions which they didnt. Sure one can speculate based on numerical tabulations of drops of how it SEEMS to affect the drop rate but that isnt the same as saying "treasure hunter works by applying xyz to abc and dividing by 123 and round down" Again short of SE giving the true formula of this so we can see exactly where the trait comes into play and the degree it plays anything anybody say is just that SPECULATION. One cant even really confirm or deny the possibility that weather/day doesnt have any effect on the Treasure Hunter job trait at all or any more than the day/weather against the elemental weakness of the mob itself, yet apparently you guys know best despite none of you work at, with, or for SE?

Another thing you fail to noticed is I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE TO USE IT ESPECIALLY WHEN I DONT EVEN USE IT MYSELF. I merely gave suggestion on if you insist on or are insisted to use it by your party some possible solutions to help deal with the tp loss but ultimate to JUST ACCEPT the fact you will lose tp anyway you cut it. Simply saying you pick one or the other, damage or drop, as it is now until SE does something about and pretty much STFU about it. That was all I was saying and giving my explanation of why I feel that way. It not the best solution to the problem but for not is pretty much the only solution if one must use it.

It isnt my fault you people act like a bunch of brats because somebody opinion may seem so far fetch to you and you decide to act like jackasses getting all "offended" and bs over a GAME and my opinion of a particular aspect of the game that hardly seems a real issue to be whining about anyway. Simply put if you want maximum spoils as it is today you solo and deal with the damage loss and keep the damn knife equipped. If you afraid you'll get owned because you not skilled enough to get the job done with that much of a reduction in damage then ditch the fucking knife. IT REALLY IS THAT DAMN SIMPLE.

Oh and just because you have a few 100 morons nodding "uh huh ok" doesnt make what is being said right. I have always believed in this one quote and it has always held true from my experience:

"WHAT IS POPULAR IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, WHAT IS RIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR" you all might be wise to remember that, but somehow I doubt it.

[noodles355]

[SNK]

"WHAT IS POPULAR IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, WHAT IS RIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR" you all might be wise to remember that, but somehow I doubt it.

It doesn't apply in FFXI tho.

[CapriciousOne]

It doesn't apply in FFXI tho.

acutally it does just many people just really believe in thier own hype and arent willing to consider anything else. There is always multiple solutions to a problem it is just a matter of what a person is willing to tolerate that determines if and how well it would work. To be honest the biggest problem with this game is the player base than the actual game itself for which is why I prefer to solo than be bothered with parties most the time. It get boring doing the same thing the exact same way ALL THE TIME. I find the lack of creativity in rather annoying. Seem everybody is just trying to shove the same drivel down everybody throat and ridicule anything to the contrary. In any case I said what I feel I need to say people can take it how they want laugh, be offended, respond, or ignore. I dont want or need anybody to agree with what I'm saying it was just food for though and nothing more and look at the overreaction. Its sad really guess now I understand why parents make a big fuss over stuff like social communities and stuff because of assholes like them.

[Insaniac]

ITT: I'm not wrong. I'm different.

[Greatguardian]

No, the "problem" you're talking about is most definitely with the game if the best way to do something is miles better than alternative ways to do things.

Know what the difference between a buffed player with no Haste gear (55% total) and a buffed player with Haste gear (80% total) is? A factor of 225%. As in, one player is dealing more than twice as much damage as the other. You damn well better believe people are going to get smashed if they're not wearing Haste gear.

Welcome to FFXI. Conform or be less than half as effective as the guy next to you.

[FrankReynolds]

Well frank you just proved my earlier point you are going to see things how you going to see it no matter what I say to the contrary and that is ok I expect no less of people these days. I simply expressed my views on the issue and what I felt would be a better alternative to resolve what I felt was the real issue with Treasure Hunter, the overall randomness of procing to improve the effectiveness of the trait. The bottom line is whether it is a thief in 2011 or 1830 thief are always searching for a way to maximize their haul and I dont feel this is accurately reflected in the game.

Funny thing to me is that everybody here assumes they know exactly how Treasure Hunter works as if they are the ones who spent the man hours creating the formulas and implementations of it in the game to make these assertions which they didnt. Sure one can speculate based on numerical tabulations of drops of how it SEEMS to affect the drop rate but that isnt the same as saying "treasure hunter works by applying xyz to abc and dividing by 123 and round down" Again short of SE giving the true formula of this so we can see exactly where the trait comes into play and the degree it plays anything anybody say is just that SPECULATION. One cant even really confirm or deny the possibility that weather/day doesnt have any effect on the Treasure Hunter job trait at all or any more than the day/weather against the elemental weakness of the mob itself, yet apparently you guys know best despite none of you work at, with, or for SE?

Another thing you fail to noticed is I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE TO USE IT ESPECIALLY WHEN I DONT EVEN USE IT MYSELF. I merely gave suggestion on if you insist on or are insisted to use it by your party some possible solutions to help deal with the tp loss but ultimate to JUST ACCEPT the fact you will lose tp anyway you cut it. Simply saying you pick one or the other, damage or drop, as it is now until SE does something about and pretty much STFU about it. That was all I was saying and giving my explanation of why I feel that way. It not the best solution to the problem but for not is pretty much the only solution if one must use it.

It isnt my fault you people act like a bunch of brats because somebody opinion may seem so far fetch to you and you decide to act like jackasses getting all "offended" and bs over a GAME and my opinion of a particular aspect of the game that hardly seems a real issue to be whining about anyway. Simply put if you want maximum spoils as it is today you solo and deal with the damage loss and keep the damn knife equipped. If you afraid you'll get owned because you not skilled enough to get the job done with that much of a reduction in damage then ditch the fucking knife. IT REALLY IS THAT DAMN SIMPLE.

Oh and just because you have a few 100 morons nodding "uh huh ok" doesnt make what is being said right. I have always believed in this one quote and it has always held true from my experience:

"WHAT IS POPULAR IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, WHAT IS RIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR" you all might be wise to remember that, but somehow I doubt it.

It's not opinion. You are absolutely wrong. You are obviously aware that you are wrong and just posting to get the last word and further the debate about ..... nothing. everyone agrees that you are wrong. They don't agree because they all like each other. Most of us don't. They don't agree because they have watched too many TV commercials telling them to. They don't agree because the government is making them. They don't agree because it's the cool thing to do. They agree because you don't know what you are talking about.

No amount of rhetoric, silly quotes, or dime store philosophy is going to make your "opinion" hold true. It is your opinion. It is not the truth. It is just an opinion....and a poor one at that.

[CapriciousOne]

It's not opinion. You are absolutely wrong. You are obviously aware that you are wrong and just posting to get the last word and further the debate about ..... nothing. everyone agrees that you are wrong. They don't agree because they all like each other. Most of us don't. They don't agree because they have watched too many TV commercials telling them to. They don't agree because the government is making them. They don't agree because it's the cool thing to do. They agree because you don't know what you are talking about.

No amount of rhetoric, silly quotes, or dime store philosophy is going to make your "opinion" hold true. It is your opinion. It is not the truth. It is just an opinion....and a poor one at that.

I know exactly what i'm talking about even you guys dont, cant, or won't follow my explanation of it and its only your OPINION that I dont know what I am talking about because YOU fail to understand it because you cant spend one minute stepping out of your own comfortable boring mindset of "HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE" as opposed to "WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN THE SAME THING BE ACCOMPLISHED" to see if it is even viable even if it doesnt necessarily suit your style before you even shoot it down. Regardless if it the Thief forum, or Red mage or any other forum it is the exact same bs nevertheless. Hell most of the changes SE proposed to jobs prior to releasing in the official update was shot down and described as "useless" before anybody actually had it in hand to see how it works and how it could be used with other know abilities and were so adamant about it as well. The thing that is really is killing this game isnt the game itself it is the bullheaded inflexible and unresourceful playerbase that pushes people away. I would just suggest SE just shut this crap down but that would only mean you jerk offs would just migrate to and destroy other good games as well. I rather have you guys isolated in one place then spread your mayhem.