Pray

[Feynman]

All this begs the question though. How long, on average, does it take a post to sway horribly away from the OPs original point? We could do an average across the entire forum. Find the average in both time and number of posts. Bet both would be a low number!

However, this was very informative. I haven't really leveled WHM (43) but need to be working on it some for sub soon. As someone who works in a heavily mathematically related field I'm easily swayed but numbers and good data. Thanks Aleste for the work putting your list together!

[Aleste]

In fairness, it's not horribly off-topic, the OP was talking about a cumulative healing over time effect which then turned into a regen discussion.

Either way, I'm in favour of stronger regen gear rather than strengthening our cures. Hell, even tweak it so that higher healing magic skill grants additional potency to it so that multiple jobs (rdm and sch) get a buff out of it.

It's a little sad considering that one of our staple spells has been left in the dust.

[Malacite]

tl;dr

Sucks to Pray, give us Blessing instead

[Vortex]

my reading comphrensible is very horrible and i did not read or understand what you were talking about i will make up some stupid, retarded post because in order to make my self feel better and keep swaying this topic in a direction to insult you as much as i can with false accusations and crap i make up, hopefully this following sentence will make me look even more childish: Since you seem to be incapable of expressing yourself through any method of communication other than juvenile insults, I'll just guess at the idea you so desperately want to express through adult language.

Are you trying to say, "Regen is useful when you really, really want everyone's HP to stay white without casting a lot of Cure spells" ?

Fixed for accuracy, i am done with this discussion, and your half-brained, dumb post just proved further that people like you just jump to and belive whatever you want to, i could explain it, but then i will get another "since you are acting the way i am" post so forget it, i don't know where this topic will go now but this matter is considerd closed. cast whatever you want, do whatever you want. don't care.

On topic.

Seems we would need a different approchwith cumulitive healing sort of like helix spells with large bursts of Hp recovery but with longer ticks. since regen is little to difficult, oh excuse me "Not effective" for certain people i guess it is time for something new.

[SpankWustler]

I apologize for the harsh tone of my post. That was hypocritical of me and I probably just wrote in such a way because my head was pounding this morning. Sorry.

Can you explain in clear language when you would use Regen for a reason other than MP efficiency, please?

[Mirage]

How many ticks it take for all the hp to be regenerated doesn't really change the MP efficiency. Of course, if that's incorrect, please explain why.

I'm still hoping you can show us an example where regen is a better choice than a normal cure in a fight that is hard enough to actually matter. All I'm seeing is you getting mad at people because they don't take your word for it when you say regen is useful without giving any good examples or mathematics to back it up.

[Vortex]

I apologize for the harsh tone of my post. It was hypocritical of me and I probably just wrote like that because my head was pounding this morning. Sorry.

Can you explain in clear language when you'd use Regen for a reason out of MP efficiency, please?

During certain NMs with bad, unremovable poison or bio ( i mentioned this before ) during phases where if i know mp will drain quickly so i can use the lesser cures more often then higher cures (cure 3-4) while regen tops off the hp that was missing if they are not taking constant damage, The uses are rare but they are there and obviously very situaional, tho i am used to 75 days where it was a god send and i stuck to my method of playing whm for years, main thing is i refuse to let abyssea "spoil" my playstyle, it has worked fine for me since, and i wish to keep it when things happen outside again, and yes it has died down since then but i still use it when it's needed.

WHM is not a hard job, most people can get away with the "cure till the mob is dead" playstyle and that is honestly what is ticking me off. but i grin and bare it.

Obviously i raged, but i hate when people say certain spells are "useless" or "not worth it" because they fail to try or actually use it correctly.

Never said i "replaced" regen with cures. i am not dumb and just regen with somone in yellow HP or about to die.

there. that all you needed?

[SpankWustler]

During certain NMs with bad, unremovable poison or bio ( i mentioned this before ) during phases where if i know mp will drain quickly so i can use the lesser cures more often then higher cures (cure 3-4) while regen tops off the hp that was missing if they are not taking constant damage, The uses are rare but they are there and obviously very situaional, tho i am used to 75 days where it was a god send and i stuck to my method of playing whm for years, main thing is i refuse to let abyssea "spoil" my playstyle, it has worked fine for me since, and i wish to keep it when things happen outside again, and yes it has died down since then but i still use it when it's needed.

WHM is not a hard job, most people can get away with the "cure till the mob is dead" playstyle and that is honestly what is ticking me off. but i grin and bare it.

Obviously i raged, but i hate when people say certain spells are "useless" or "not worth it" because they fail to try or actually use it correctly.

Never said i "replaced" regen with cures. i am not dumb and just regen with somone in yellow HP or about to die.

there. that all you needed?

Thanks for taking the time to explain in detail.

While I'd personally just let people stay a little below full and cast Cure III more often to save a few more MP, I can understand how Regen could be useful in that situation and that sounds totally kosher.

I've met enough Cure V/Cure VI/AFK VII White Mages to understand some of your rage, I guess. I don't know what makes healing jobs in FFXI so hard to play, but I've encountered plenty of folks in-game who think status ailments age like a particularly smelly European cheese.

It's always a bad idea to totally dismiss any spell in White Mage's spell list, other than maybe Diaga, since the job has roughly two billion niche spells for two billion niches. Actually, Diaga is my favorite spell.

[Vortex]

Thanks for taking the time to explain in detail.

While I'd personally just let people stay a little below full and cast Cure III more often to save a few more MP, I can understand how Regen could be useful in that situation and that sounds totally kosher.

I've met enough Cure V/Cure VI/AFK VII White Mages to understand some of your rage, I guess. I don't know what makes healing jobs in FFXI so hard to play, but I've encountered plenty of folks in-game who think status ailments age like a particularly smelly European cheese.

It's always a bad idea to totally dismiss any spell in White Mage's spell list, other than maybe Diaga, since the job has roughly two billion niche spells for two billion niches. Actually, Diaga is my favorite spell.

Because whm requires you to pay attention and think to be good at it. and a surprising number of players have a hard time with these concepts, which is why DNC and SCH or not popular or you get that one idiot saying "this job sucks" because they are the 2 jobs that require ALOT of thinking to be good at. it's just how this community is. nothing you can do about, general rule with most players is if it's easy it's popular, which is why SAM and MNK were bandwagoned to hell because they require very little thinking, and are just mainly auto attack ---> press a macro. i hate that in this game but what can you do?

If you have ever played Demon's souls that type of fighting engine is what i wish FF had, you can't just "run up and attack" in that game or you will go no further then the 1st stage.

[Economizer]

It's always a bad idea to totally dismiss any spell in White Mage's spell list, other than maybe Diaga, since the job has roughly two billion niche spells for two billion niches. Actually, Diaga is my favorite spell.

That would totally have been relevant if anyone explaining why Regen is an MP inefficient way to cure people actually said there was never a use. You came up with a few niche reasons it should be used, I came up with a few niche reasons it should be used, and other commentators came up with a few niche reasons it should have been used, but those were ignored in favor of telling us we are crappy White Mages who don't know how to play the job.

Also, Diaga is not my favorite spell, but it is my most MP efficient one for wiping shadows.