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[SpankWustler]

You're still missing the point, which is exactly the same MP efficiency that you're talking about. Unless you're half-naked due to being in Salvage, a good Cure spell will likely be more MP efficient than a Regen spell due to Orison Pantaloons +2 and Orison Bliault +2. This is especially true for a fellow without Regen merits.

Nobody is saying that Regen spells are bad. Cure spells are just super-awesome now, and Regen spells have obviously not received the same benefits. This has reduced the usefulness of Regen spells greatly by making Cure spells relatively more useful.

You would have been right if it were this time last year. You're not right now, and you're yelling at a math equation.

[Vortex]

You're still missing the point, which is exactly the same MP efficiency that you're talking about. Unless you're half-naked due to being in Salvage, a good Cure spell will likely be more MP efficient than a Regen spell due to Orison Pantaloons +2 and Orison Bliault +2. This is especially true for a fellow without Regen merits.

Nobody is saying that Regen spells are bad. Cure spells are just super-awesome now, and Regen spells have obviously not received the same benefits. This has reduced the usefulness of Regen spells greatly by making Cure spells relatively more useful.

You would have been right if it were this time last year. You're not right now, and you're yelling at a math equation.

oh ok, i guess if something has unremovable poison and bio you'll continue to cure spam instead of canceling it out or greatly reducing the damage tick the person is taking, i am not going to keep going through this, it's like trying to explain toa BLM why the other elements are useful to blm aside thunder and ice only, i don't expect WHMs to be know how to fully play it and i never will, but this is pricicly why 99% of whms cannot survive outside abyssea. i guess this is just one of those problems ill have to let go. and as the old saying goes, if you want something done right, you have to do it your self.

[SpankWustler]

oh ok, i guess if something has unremovable poison and bio you'll continue to cure spam instead of canceling it out or greatly reducing the damage tick the person is taking, i am not going to keep going through this, it's like trying to explain toa BLM why the other elements are useful to blm aside thunder and ice only, i don't expect WHMs to be know how to fully play it and i never will, but this is pricicly why 99% of whms cannot survive outside abyssea. i guess this is just one of those problems ill have to let go. and as the old saying goes, if you want something done right, you have to do it your self.

Whether HP loss is coming from Bio, Poison, melee hits, spells, or some individual whimsically using a Frenzy Sallet in his or her idle set; that does not effect the MP efficiency of Regen spells VS various Cure spells.

I primarily use Regen when it is the most MP efficient choice available, since the spell line has almost no benefits other than MP efficiency. At present date and time, a Regen spell is not often the most MP efficient spell so I rarely use it.

There are times other than "It's Salvage and I'm not wearing any pants." when the Regen line can be useful, but they are few and far between. The spell line is no longer the staple which it once was.

[Vortex]

Whether HP loss is coming from Bio, Poison, melee hits, spells, or some individual whimsically using a Frenzy Sallet in his or her idle set; that does not effect the MP efficiency of Regen spells VS various Cure spells.

I primarily use Regen when it is the most MP efficient choice available, since the spell line has almost no benefits other than MP efficiency. At present date and time, a Regen spell is not often the most MP efficient spell so I rarely use it.

There are times other than "It's Salvage and I'm not wearing any pants." when the Regen line can be useful, but they are few and far between. The spell line is no longer the staple which it once was.

If you say so. like i said, i don't expect much out of others whms, so to each his own. i consider this matter closed. Regen should never be underestimated, period.

[Economizer]

that does not effect the MP efficiency of Regen spells VS various Cure spells.

SpankWustler, you can say this again and again and you will continue to get the answer that you are a terrible White Mage that doesn't understand and can't survive outside Abyssea, despite evidence to the contrary. You might even get called names over it, like Ahrana did. At this point, we're clearly explaining a clear point and being told in rude and abusive language that we are bad White Mages. Just keep preaching the math and ignore dismissive people.

[Vortex]

SpankWustler, you can say this again and again and you will continue to get the answer that you are a terrible White Mage that doesn't understand and can't survive outside Abyssea, despite evidence to the contrary. You might even get called names over it, like Ahrana did. At this point, we're clearly explaining a clear point and being told in rude and abusive language that we are bad White Mages. Just keep preaching the math and ignore dismissive people.

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i'm not being rude i am trying to explain how you can expand your playstyle, you probably should learnt he difference between "rude" and "facts, [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

"evidence to the contrary."
you're a funny guy, even i don't use regen that often perhaps you should learn how to read more careful i know it's very difficult but you can do it, where i said it is situational, do you understand what that means?
my entire point to this whole dumb debate was that it is not useless


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