Thanks for Temper SE

[VraeliaRDM]

If you guys are doing something easy that doesn't take focus, anyone can do w/e they want.

I agree. If a group of people are doing something simple and easy, then heck...let everyone gang bang the mob to death.

And put this into consideration, what if the spell Temper can stack with already occasionally attacks twice or so weapons? That there could prove very handy in DPSing for the RDM to get some action in.

Also, if the RDM knows their job well, they know how best to do what is necessary in a simple fight. Regardless if easy or hard. The RDM has to know when exactly to enable Temper. Solo yes, Temper away. But if it would kill a 'simple' mob quicker, then let the RDM do its thing.

I have high hopes for Temper.

[SpankWustler]

Yes, RDMs have a shit load of things to buff everyone with (including self) but, I don't understand why SE doesn't give us some sort of MAX MP Trait. We have so much shit to cast, with so very little MP. (I'm talking about outside of Abyssea events, mind you). I would love to consider a RDM a buffer, if SE would give us more MP to cast more spells with. Or give us a Job Trait 'Cut spell MP Cost by half' or something along those lines.

I don't know how much MP all the other RDMs have but I have around 1k with mine. And it does in fact drain MP to cast every single buff spell for every single person. Any RDM would know this. It's a strain on us. Plus, I don't need to emphasize that we also Enfeeble and Heal. Even with Convert it's bad.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, a time traveler from 2005! This out-of-sorts soul comes from a time before Refresh II! A dark age when people would wring the blood from infants just to obtain 2 MP a tick Refresh from their equipment! Though it may be impossible for many of you to believe, this individual comes from a time before the race of man knew the irrelevance of maximum MP!

Try to contain your gasps of awe and shrieks of horror as you gaze upon this unnatural phenomenon!

On a slightly more serious note:

Pretty much any job can melee weaker monsters passably nowadays, excluding maybe Black Mage and Scholar. It's far from the most efficient thing to do, but weak monsters are weak so it doesn't matter all that much. I'm not sure if situations where you can literally do whatever and win should also be situations that define jobs, though.

[Tamoa]

To be quite frank: Yes, RDMs have a shit load of things to buff everyone with (including self) but, I don't understand why SE doesn't give us some sort of MAX MP Trait. We have so much shit to cast, with so very little MP. (I'm talking about outside of Abyssea events, mind you). I would love to consider a RDM a buffer, if SE would give us more MP to cast more spells with. Or give us a Job Trait 'Cut spell MP Cost by half' or something along those lines.

I don't know how much MP all the other RDMs have but I have around 1k with mine. And it does in fact drain MP to cast every single buff spell for every single person. Any RDM would know this. It's a strain on us. Plus, I don't need to emphasize that we also Enfeeble and Heal. Even with Convert it's bad. And adding more and more spells for RDMs to cast...yeah.....no comment.

Not sure if serious. :/

[Shiyo]

I can't run out of mp on rdm unless I'm healing people subbing war as a spongy job vs T-VT mobs outside abyssea or chain nuking like a psycho o_O

[Economizer]

Pretty much any job can melee weaker monsters passably nowadays, excluding maybe Black Mage and Scholar. It's far from the most efficient thing to do, but weak monsters are weak so it doesn't matter all that much. I'm not sure if situations where you can literally do whatever and win should also be situations that define jobs, though.

I've heard this from so many people, although usually in less eloquent and less refined ways.

People dismiss any situation that doesn't involve fighting the elder spawn of Cthulhu as "trash mobs" that don't matter. But we still have to fight these mobs for various reasons, such as farming loot, getting experience points, or even clearing out threats before a bigger fight. Does the gameplay we get from doing this evoke the image of jobs when literally fighting a giant enemy crab strapped to a mountain? No, but fighting these mobs is still a legitimate part of the game.

Also, at 75 there were still odd setups and builds where you could find non-traditional damage dealers not only dealing damage, but doing it more successfully then the majority of damage dealers. This was an enjoyable part of the game, and never hurt anyone. What's wrong with allowing people to break class molds on occasion?

I think that Temper will only add to interesting game play, and maybe hurt egos on people who want Red Mage to get back in the kitchen.

[Greatguardian]

Contrary to popular talking points, I doubt anyone's ego is fearful of being bruised by a buff to Red Mage melee. If melee'ing on Red Mage was actually beneficial and more efficient than not melee'ing at some point in the game, I'm sure myself and others would have no problem doing so (and it is, on anything EP or below, in which case myself and others do melee). The discussion has never really been about which way should be better, but rather what is most prudent to do in the given situation.

Melee'ing on anything above EM on Red Mage doesn't work as is, straight up. The only real difference here is that some people wish for the game to change to suit what they feel is the only correct vision for Red Mage as a class, while others are willing to mold themselves and their playstyles to function best within the game as it is. Instead of jamming a square peg into a round hole and demanding that the hole be changed to a square shape, some people just go grab a round peg instead.

Some people, like Saevel and Duelle, call that settling, making do, or other not as pleasant things. I call it being pragmatic. Final Fantasy XI presents you, the player, with a toolkit: The job system. It's up to the player to determine what tool(s) are best for any given job, and how they are best used. If, for some reason, the players insist on being able to whittle a deer with a power drill and circular saw because "that's just what power drills do" and they feel like it, there is only so much that can be done about it. Personally, I'd much rather whittle a deer with a pocket knife.

[DebbieGibson]

Contrary to popular talking points, I doubt anyone's ego is fearful of being bruised by a buff to Red Mage melee. If melee'ing on Red Mage was actually beneficial and more efficient than not melee'ing at some point in the game, I'm sure myself and others would have no problem doing so (and it is, on anything EP or below, in which case myself and others do melee). The discussion has never really been about which way should be better, but rather what is most prudent to do in the given situation.

Melee'ing on anything above EM on Red Mage doesn't work as is, straight up. The only real difference here is that some people wish for the game to change to suit what they feel is the only correct vision for Red Mage as a class, while others are willing to mold themselves and their playstyles to function best within the game as it is. Instead of jamming a square peg into a round hole and demanding that the hole be changed to a square shape, some people just go grab a round peg instead.

Some people, like Saevel and Duelle, call that settling, making do, or other not as pleasant things. I call it being pragmatic. Final Fantasy XI presents you, the player, with a toolkit. The job system. It's up to the player to determine what tool(s) are best for any given job, and how they are best used. If, for some reason, the players insist on being able to whittle a deer with a power drill and circular saw because "that's just what power drills do" and they feel like it, there is only so much that can be done about it. Personally, I'd much rather whittle a deer with a pocket knife.

Just wondering what is your IQ?

[Greatguardian]

Just wondering what is your IQ?

Serious question or trollface?

[DebbieGibson]

Serious question or trollface?

You make some of the best posts I have the pleasure of reading. Your two analogies in the above post are what prompted me to ask, as they give a very nice 'finishing blow' to what you're explaining. If you were a preacher I would probably go to your church.

[Supersun]

Really? I thought the round peg, square hole was a rather cliche metaphor.

I though everyone's heard that expression at least once.