Is it just me..?

[Kojo]

So, what you're saying is that Empyrean weapons create two problems. The first is that no one can even come close to the power of an Empyrean user. The second is that they want to use what they've worked for, so they too many ruby lights.

For the first issue, all I can say is that given their strength, there is a need for multiple pullers so that everyone is engaging a mob at all times. The Empyrean user can only attack one mob at a time, so it seems you need more pullers.

As for the second issue, it's not an Empyrean Weapon problem. It's not a players-with-Empyreans problem. It's an Abyssea problem. Mages can't always go for kill shots, which means they're on add control. It's very difficult for a strong mage to do damage without pulling hate. Even a low tier spell can pull hate. Mobs die so quickly that enfeebling them almost isn't worth it. Melees have to turn their back to the mobs, disengage, or target another enemy so mages can go for kills.

Is holding back ever fun for anyone, let alone Empyrean users? No! In the TP burn days, it didn't matter how you killed as long as the mob fell over dead as fast as possible. Melee hit kills, weapon-skill kills shots, a White Mage killing with Banish just for lols, it didn't matter! Now you can't drop the mob with Sidewinder or whatever anymore without 17 people yelling at you.



Yes, it's just you. People are so happy about drowning in exp that they don't care.

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

[Lordscyon]

Well, Too solve your problem if it is your Abyssea party you created and have all leaders ready and not afk you could boot the Ruby people that don't understand not too obey the abyssea system.

[Panthera]

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

[Kojo]

Well, Too solve your problem if it is your Abyssea party you created and have all leaders ready and not afk you could boot the Ruby people that don't understand not too obey the abyssea system.

It wasn't my PT, and the leader that invited her was a returning player and wasn't completely sure about how damaging Empyreans are. I can't really blame him.

[Kojo]

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

[Kimara]

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

[Kojo]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

Not I, dunno about anyone else..

[Elexia]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

"It'll be much faster if I killed everything" is generally what is said.

Yes your emp weapon is strong. Yes you can one shot things, I can one shot 12 worms and solo mikey on BLM but doesn't mean I have to >.> The issue is they still do it even before capping off appropriate lights, hell I zoned into a party with a emp users (new party btw) and already had over 70 Ruby within 5 minutes in the zone.

[Korpg]

If the emp user is 1 shotting mobs, then yeah, there is a problem. Why haven't you gotten an emp yet?

[TybudX]

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster. The whole 'avoid ruby until you cap azure' thing is along the same lines as the 'make your DDs sub NIN so the healer can keep sucking' thing. If somebody happens to be stupid and own an empyrean weapon man up and tell them to solo mobs. And you can't get azure why? What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?

There is a good reason the alliance you were in looked useless. It wasn't that one guy.