Is it just me..?

[Kojo]

So, what you're saying is that Empyrean weapons create two problems. The first is that no one can even come close to the power of an Empyrean user. The second is that they want to use what they've worked for, so they too many ruby lights.

For the first issue, all I can say is that given their strength, there is a need for multiple pullers so that everyone is engaging a mob at all times. The Empyrean user can only attack one mob at a time, so it seems you need more pullers.

As for the second issue, it's not an Empyrean Weapon problem. It's not a players-with-Empyreans problem. It's an Abyssea problem. Mages can't always go for kill shots, which means they're on add control. It's very difficult for a strong mage to do damage without pulling hate. Even a low tier spell can pull hate. Mobs die so quickly that enfeebling them almost isn't worth it. Melees have to turn their back to the mobs, disengage, or target another enemy so mages can go for kills.

Is holding back ever fun for anyone, let alone Empyrean users? No! In the TP burn days, it didn't matter how you killed as long as the mob fell over dead as fast as possible. Melee hit kills, weapon-skill kills shots, a White Mage killing with Banish just for lols, it didn't matter! Now you can't drop the mob with Sidewinder or whatever anymore without 17 people yelling at you.



Yes, it's just you. People are so happy about drowning in exp that they don't care.

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

[Panthera]

It was a worm PT, there were no pullers, the person in question was running up and killing what everyone else was on. Did you read past the first post?

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

[Kojo]

Nope. I was addressing the issue as discussed in the original post. Was there some reason that that detail wasn't relevant till the third post instead of mentioning it in the first place in this staggeringly well-thought out thread? And if it's worms and you don't need pullers, why not just engage a different mob than the Empyrean user? Surely your group has enough mages handle it.

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

[Kimara]

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

[Kojo]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

Not I, dunno about anyone else..

[Elexia]

Just out of curiosity, Did you ever ask them to solo there own? Maybe they would have if you asked :x.

"It'll be much faster if I killed everything" is generally what is said.

Yes your emp weapon is strong. Yes you can one shot things, I can one shot 12 worms and solo mikey on BLM but doesn't mean I have to >.> The issue is they still do it even before capping off appropriate lights, hell I zoned into a party with a emp users (new party btw) and already had over 70 Ruby within 5 minutes in the zone.

[Panthera]

If you don't like the tread then get out.

your ability to impose consequences if I don't overwhelms me

I've already discussed how it's not really an Empyrean problem, it's an Abyssea problem. The issue with light dynamics that I already discussed not withstanding, we're talking about 18 guys vs one mob. As often as not, the mobs are weak enough such that alliance might split up into two or even three groups, or more with soloists, and the mob dies within ... 10-15 seconds less say, without an Empyrean Weapon. With an Empyrean Weapon, let's say 5-7 seconds. The problem is that fights are too short anyway, Empyreans or no. The Empyrean weapon is only shaving off 5-7 seconds; that's actually not that much fighting time when the time it takes to kill the isn't that long in the first place.

But, Empyreans work as they do, and Abyssea works as it does. We are not beseeching for change, we are merely lamenting the immutable status-quo. Or just being a <expletive deleted>, as you say.

[SpankWustler]

Ruby lights are irrelevant if the group has enough competent members to kill quickly. Even if you're allergic to math, it's not hard to figure out that killing twice as faster produces twice as many chests. Ruby light also leads to Gold, Silver, and Ebon lights, which lead to more experience and cruor.

If you're timing out, the answer is to be more awesome and kill more stuff. Not to yell at the one or two bros or bro-ettes who are actually performing well and killing things at a good pace.

Ideally, an 18 person alliance will be all over the place and working on between two and a half-dozen monsters at once. So, yeah, this usually means the strongest melee are engaging monsters by their lonesome self. This is hard to do when using the books, so I actually prefer Scars areas. I'm not sure if it's more or less experience, but there's far less tedium and there's far more actual combat.

[SNK]

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

All I hear is a load of butthurt. Yeah I have an Emperyen weapon but sometimes dropping a mob from 100% to 0% just happens. I've done it a lot so just quit crying about stupid Ruby Lights.

P.S. I can do just about the same near amount of damage on my DRG with Drakesbane using a non-emperyen polearm so it's not just Emperyen weapons. It's people who play the game better then most people who know how to pimp their gear out.