Is it just me..?

[cidbahamut]

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Over half of the alliance is useless.

[Panthera]

If you don't like the tread then get out.

your ability to impose consequences if I don't overwhelms me

I've already discussed how it's not really an Empyrean problem, it's an Abyssea problem. The issue with light dynamics that I already discussed not withstanding, we're talking about 18 guys vs one mob. As often as not, the mobs are weak enough such that alliance might split up into two or even three groups, or more with soloists, and the mob dies within ... 10-15 seconds less say, without an Empyrean Weapon. With an Empyrean Weapon, let's say 5-7 seconds. The problem is that fights are too short anyway, Empyreans or no. The Empyrean weapon is only shaving off 5-7 seconds; that's actually not that much fighting time when the time it takes to kill the isn't that long in the first place.

But, Empyreans work as they do, and Abyssea works as it does. We are not beseeching for change, we are merely lamenting the immutable status-quo. Or just being a <expletive deleted>, as you say.

[TybudX]

Still being as contradictory as ever.

How is it contradictory? On one hand, you have a DD that kills fast enough that you never run out of time, regardless of lights. On the other hand, you have BLMs who are seemingly doing nothing. If azure lights are so important for getting time, why aren't they killing stuff? Because that one DD doesn't know where ephemerals are? Why is it his problem?

... especially if you're a vet to Abyssea, red chests can cap off quickly and if all you get are red chests and no TEs you end your party pretty quickly

You don't magically get 100% of one type of chest by having capped lights in only one colour. It takes one good DD (News Flash: You don't need an Empyrean weapon) to kill stuff faster than your whole alliance, well guess what? Even if you only get blue chests 10% of the time, that one guy is getting blue chests faster than you would with the rest of the alliance. How many DDs do you have? 10? 12? So one guy is killing literally 10x faster than the rest of the alliance... yeah.

[SpankWustler]

Ruby lights are irrelevant if the group has enough competent members to kill quickly. Even if you're allergic to math, it's not hard to figure out that killing twice as faster produces twice as many chests. Ruby light also leads to Gold, Silver, and Ebon lights, which lead to more experience and cruor.

If you're timing out, the answer is to be more awesome and kill more stuff. Not to yell at the one or two bros or bro-ettes who are actually performing well and killing things at a good pace.

Ideally, an 18 person alliance will be all over the place and working on between two and a half-dozen monsters at once. So, yeah, this usually means the strongest melee are engaging monsters by their lonesome self. This is hard to do when using the books, so I actually prefer Scars areas. I'm not sure if it's more or less experience, but there's far less tedium and there's far more actual combat.

[DebbieGibson]

It is less, but yeah, I prefer to just murder shit than having to get pages all the time.

[Leonlionheart]

I hate book parties period. You can't get a good rhythm going, like, ever.

Worms on the other hand: 1 WS = Dead, TP to 100% = Dead, rinse, repeat. Don't have to mess up your groove going to the book.

[Rosina]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

[Yamimarik44]

God half of you if you do have empyrean weapons are just being rude and self absorbed, you must have the superiority complex everyone tends to get if they make a relic,mythic,empyrean weapon, god get over yourself, I currently have 2 empyrean weapons under my belt atm, one is more for show and funzies and the other is for real stuff, Kannagi and Hvergelmir anyways, I know better when I'm on NIN w/ full DD atmas on in a pt to just go up and derp derp Ruby everything if we're in dire need of TE's(with good BLM's, if you cap ruby to early w/o having many TE's, pain to get many TE's later on) so it's not always the BLM's issue nor the parties issue, it's that freaking superiority complex disease that plagues most people.

[Sparthos]

I hate book parties period. You can't get a good rhythm going, like, ever.

Worms on the other hand: 1 WS = Dead, TP to 100% = Dead, rinse, repeat. Don't have to mess up your groove going to the book.

This.

I hate Heroes zone parties cause it ultimately becomes individuals just AFKing at the NPC and never actually doing anything. Running back every 5 mobs for a new page is just mind grating and takes away from the fun of going from mob to mob kicking ass.

Really it doesn't matter anymore though. EXP parties are dead on my server and the parties that do run are just charging to leech.

Such are the sad state of affairs when everyone has their jobs/merits capped or are so lazy that they rather pay someone to EXP for them. I cant even find an Abyssea party to skillup in anymore.

[Yamimarik44]

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

We don't want nor need your trolling "I hate this play style way, so I'm gonna ruin every thread by shoving my believes down everyones throat till they realize, I'm right you're wrong!" Stop ruining threads period.