Suggestions(Feedback) for Relic(Weapon) and Mythic Improvement!

[Insaniac]

I wish that would be the case considering what you stated above. It would put dark back up as great spike damage job like they were before. The idea about it being magic haste is somewhat viable but with brd and dancer combos it is capped on most DD jobs so having its own category would make it a specialty to the job itself.

Making apoc DRKs the only job in the game able to surpass the haste cap would be beyond broken. The difference between 80% and 90% haste is a 50% increase in damage. Easily capped gear haste + 25% JA haste with desperate blows means you would only need non-SV marchs and WHM haste to be at 90% delay reduction for a full 3 minutes. That's 3 minutes of a 140 damage 51 delay weapon. That means swinging twice a second. No 2hrs needed. It's asking too much.

[Chriscoffey]

Making apoc DRKs the only job in the game able to surpass the haste cap would be beyond broken. The difference between 80% and 90% haste is a 50% increase in damage. Easily capped gear haste + 25% JA haste with desperate blows means you would only need non-SV marchs and WHM haste to be at 90% delay reduction for a full 3 minutes. That's 3 minutes of a 140 damage 51 delay weapon. That means swinging twice a second. No 2hrs needed. It's asking too much.

Considering just how back a dark knight is with a scythe at this point it would probably take that to put them up to the damage that other DD jobs now experience with increased DA rates, TA rates, etc etc. You are trying to compare this to jobs that have been OP because of critical hit weaponskills. Catastrophe isn't exactly a powerful weaponskill by itself but has great attributes. I can easily do double to triple my dark knights damage with my warrior so why is a 50% increase with their relic weapon so OP?

[Insaniac]

I don't know how to explain it any better. Having 90% haste 60% of the time and 81.5% haste the rest of the time or full time 90% if you have a DNC is utterly broken when the highest any other 2h DD can hope to reach without a DNC or SV marches is 71.5% (+2.5% for SAMs I guess) full time. You're looking at 100tp every ~3 seconds with LR up. 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi 3 Mississippi.. an apoc DRK just swung 6 times for 350-700 damage did a cata for 1500-2000 and cured himself to full. Your war has swung twice. Maybe I do know how to explain it better.

[Atomic_Skull]

Considering just how back a dark knight is with a scythe at this point it would probably take that to put them up to the damage that other DD jobs now experience with increased DA rates, TA rates, etc etc. You are trying to compare this to jobs that have been OP because of critical hit weaponskills. Catastrophe isn't exactly a powerful weaponskill by itself but has great attributes. I can easily do double to triple my dark knights damage with my warrior so why is a 50% increase with their relic weapon so OP?

Haste doesn't increase attack speed, it decreases your delay. That's a very important distinction.

[Insaniac]

Haste doesn't increase attack speed, it decreases your delay. That's a very important distinction.

Looking back at my first post I did explain that wrong. What I should have said was that it would be a further delay reduction of 50%. Effectively doubling damage when you go from 80% to 90% haste since you would be attacking twice a second instead of once.

[Chriscoffey]

I know to be honest i was using apocalypse before when it was 93.3% im just trying to get it back up there lol seems you wont let me have my fun. I just think scythe WS are so much weaker due to the critical aspect that it takes alot more DOT damage to make up for the damage difference by DOT vs WS of the other DD jobs now.

[Soidisant]

You have to remember that DRK's are getting Scarlet Delirium next update too and if that has any sort of decent duration then it will go a good way to putting us back on par. I know that outside of Abyssea I am not more than 20% behind even the Ukon WAR's on parses in random stuff like Einherjar/KS99/etc.

If Apoc haste is allowed to go beyond cap then it will potentially put every non-apoc DD in the shade. So realistically I don't think that is the way to go. Any relic buff will have to be universal in the sense that all relics gets boosted equal-ish even if what they get is unique.

[Byrth]

I made some kinda-technical suggestions here a while ago.

[Insaniac]

I made some kinda-technical suggestions here a while ago.

Heh, I looked for this post a little but didn't see it. I thought I only stole the thing about geirskogul draining HP for your wyvern. Looks like some of your other ideas may have stuck with me subconsciously lol. Either that or they made enough sense that we both thought of them.

[Byrth]

Either that or they made enough sense that we both thought of them.

I think this happens a lot, lol. Like how SE "implemented my Aegis idea," which was probably actually just them thinking of it themselves because it made sense.

I really hope the same thing happens with Apocalypse. Changing it to be a separate form of Haste (or even just Magic Haste) would let an Apoc DRK get 75% Haste about 3/4 of the time as long as they have a mage, even with Seigan up. It fits perfectly with their niche.