Suggestions(Feedback) for Relic(Weapon) and Mythic Improvement!

[Karbuncle]

Biggest thing I think is SE just needs to relook at the relic ws, some of them are pretty terrible

I'm hoping when they "Revisit" a lot of the Weaponskills for planned adjustments, Relic WS get a strong looking over. They were designed for a different era of play, and need to be updated to fit the new game style!

[Atomic_Skull]

Biggest thing I think is SE just needs to relook at the relic ws, some of them are pretty terrible

Relic WS are all basically identical.

fTP 3.0 stat_60% 1 hit. TP = aftermath duration.


A few of them like Yoichinoyumi are fTP 2.7 instead of fTP 3.0

[Rearden]

So what does a Gjallarhorn offer then?

[Vortex]

So what does a Gjallarhorn offer then?

Nothing? G horn isn't like the rest of the relics, what could you possible give it? +5 songs? i mean...other then more + to songs, what could you give it that wont Op an already strong support job..

[Karbuncle]

Nothing? G horn isn't like the rest of the relics, what could you possible give it? +5 songs? i mean...other then more + to songs, what could you give it that wont Op an already strong support job..

Problem is its as much of an investment as other Relics... So it does need something to set it apart. However, i agree its hard to not overpower, But +4/+5 to songs isn't that bad.

Though, how about brainstorming a completely unique song? I can't think of any, maybe a song that grants "Magic Attack Bonus" to boost its support in Mage parties?

"Sorcerer's Serenade"
Boosts Magic Accuracy and Magic Attack for party members in range.
Minimum (crap skill) = +10 macc/matk
Maximum (best possible?) = +30macc/matk.

Or something similar. a Unique spell.

[Vortex]

Problem is its as much of an investment as other Relics... So it does need something to set it apart. However, i agree its hard to not overpower, But +4/+5 to songs isn't that bad.

Though, how about brainstorming a completely unique song? I can't think of any, maybe a song that grants "Magic Attack Bonus" to boost its support in Mage parties?


"Sorcerer's Serenade"Boosts Magic Accuracy and Magic Attack for party members in range.
Minimum (crap skill) = +10 macc/matk
Maximum (best possible?) = +30macc/matk.

Or something similar. a Unique spell.

If you just want a "Unique" song that is only avilable to relic it would have to be something that greatly extends the duration of songs or other buffs casted on party, similer to how mythic BRD dagger works. that is the only "fair" way i see for g horn.

MAB and MACC are already on COR since they have rolls that do that, so it wouldn't exactly be "exclusive"

[Karbuncle]

If you just want a "Unique" song that is only avilable to relic it would have to be something that greatly extends the duration of songs or other buffs casted on party, similer to how mythic BRD dagger works. that is the only "fair" way i see for g horn.

MAB and MACC are already on COR since they have rolls that do that, so it wouldn't exactly be "exclusive"

Didn't want Exclusive, just unique for the case of BRD, i guess unique wasn't the right word? "something that can only be done with this instrument". I should say.

Maybe Extending Song Duration by ~25%? But then it treads on the Mythic's purpose. you see my conundrum

[Karbuncle]

I think Gjallarhorn does need a little extra something. Right now its just a lot of something BRDs dont need/already can get. Its a nice Instrument, But i also feel its not unique enough, especially when you consider the effort involved in getting one.

Maybe not Masacre Elegy... But something.

Edit: Also have to remember by 95/99 We might see All Songs +4/5, And i dont think Non-Relic instruments will be going past +3.

[Rearden]

+4/+5 to songs won't really help make Gjallahorn any more useful than a BRD+RDM combo. It would allow you to save one party spot, but that's really it. Depending on how high it went, it would also allow you cast non-SV marches for the same haste values as a non-Gjallahorn BRD's SV, but again that's really it.

Considering it is the same time investment as an Aegis (40% Magic Damage Reduction OVER 50% Magic Damage Taken Cap for an effective 90% (88.7?) reduction) I don't see how it a) doesn't have a unique song or b) why Massacre Elegy would be broken when held in the same light as other relics

[Karbuncle]

Yah, But if Gjallarhorn takes what makes Mythic unique, then the Mythic would truly becomes worthless/less sought after.

I mean, I don't feel it a big problem but in SE's eyes it might not be in line with their "Vision" of Mythics.