Anyone actually wanna mention our new Flourish thingy?

[Solsticewind]

>_> I don't use any of the Flourish III's out side of playing with em when they came out and again when they changed the one beyond that *shurges* there all useless for me rather save my finishing moves in case of a oh crap moment or if my tp gets wiped bye a mob move.

[Asymptotic]

Climactic Flourish is very good if and only if you have Rudra's Storm.
As of the dev1024 post, the JP version has Ternary listed under Flourishes III which unfortunately nukes into oblivion any niche use it might have had. They wasted their time programming the ability (although I suspect it was mostly copy/paste and changing values from Striking, gogogo time saving) and developing an animation that no one will ever see more than once.

Dear development team, have you ever actually played this class?

[KanaaLuv]

Did anyone take into consideration that Flourishes III were probably made so we can do a decent Rudra's? Or maybe so we can pump out more damage when we solo. Honestly I don't down the flourishes until I test them myself. We all downed Climatic until now its praised. We have no idea what SE has planned as far as AF3 vs new abilities/traits post lv90 and lets not forget the upcoming changes to job specific merit points. What would you rather have in Flourishes III? Raises? No,thx. Honestly, I don't care to spam Dancing Edge Or Evis/PK Reverse Evis. I rather skill chain with Rudra which does nice damage thanks to Flourishes III whether it was Climatic or Striking. It's like no one is satisfied anymore, there is a complaint about everything, they gave us more ways to dd now I guess the problem is we lack in the support department. Furthermore if the game is gradually moving outside Abyssea I would prefer to be able to force a CRIT/DA/TA if my daggers only hitting for low numbers on voidwatch type mobs. But then I guess that's when someone would say loldnc dd. Again, a counter for everything.

[Asymptotic]

Did anyone take into consideration that Flourishes III were probably made so we can do a decent Rudra's? Or maybe so we can pump out more damage when we solo. Honestly I don't down the flourishes until I test them myself. We all downed Climatic until now its praised. We have no idea what SE has planned as far as AF3 vs new abilities/traits post lv90 and lets not forget the upcoming changes to job specific merit points. What would you rather have in Flourishes III? Raises? No,thx. Honestly, I don't care to spam Dancing Edge Or Evis/PK Reverse Evis. I rather skill chain with Rudra which does nice damage thanks to Flourishes III whether it was Climatic or Striking. It's like no one is satisfied anymore, there is a complaint about everything, they gave us more ways to dd now I guess the problem is we lack in the support department. Furthermore if the game is gradually moving outside Abyssea I would prefer to be able to force a CRIT/DA/TA if my daggers only hitting for low numbers on voidwatch type mobs. But then I guess that's when someone would say loldnc dd. Again, a counter for everything.

You actually argue perfectly for why Ternary will be completely useless, unless, like I have said before, it comes with a significant hidden bonus. If it is capable of forcing crits, then it won't be completely useless, and depending on the rate, could rival climactic in situations where you weren't going to chain two rudra's back to back.

However, Striking did not force a crit on its own (Only with af3+2 body), so this ability seems unlikely to be included for Ternary. Hence, it won't see any use from good players whatsoever, and SE wasted their development time.

[Eri]

However, Striking did not force a crit on its own (Only with af3+2 body), so this ability seems unlikely to be included for Ternary. Hence, it won't see any use from good players whatsoever, and SE wasted their development time.

I think thats wrong. Striking always has a chance to make a WS crit. +1 and +2 body only Increase the odd of criting.

Nevertheless theres a hidden effect of increased crit dmg on the Tiara so WS on Climactic is the best bet now anyway.

We can assume Tren will have the same *chance* of criting a ws as striking had without enhancement gear.
Thats like never! Climactic wins for ws puposes. Leave alone the hidden bonus on Tiara.

[Byrth]

I think thats wrong. Striking always has a chance to make a WS crit. +1 and +2 body only Increase the odd of criting.

I'm pretty sure that's not true, but it's hard to disprove things so I'm not going to try.

[Eri]

If not than not XD but i figure none wants to try (me included) since one way or the other.... Climactic wins. Except for.... if you had 5 FM . Climactic would use all. Strikeing would use like 2 (i think, not that mutch into wsing) so if you'd want to use something but keep a few FMs it'd be Striking. Guess theres not a huge chance that'd happen thu.

[KanaaLuv]

You actually argue perfectly for why Ternary will be completely useless, unless, like I have said before, it comes with a significant hidden bonus. If it is capable of forcing crits, then it won't be completely useless, and depending on the rate, could rival climactic in situations where you weren't going to chain two rudra's back to back.

However, Striking did not force a crit on its own (Only with af3+2 body), so this ability seems unlikely to be included for Ternary. Hence, it won't see any use from good players whatsoever, and SE wasted their development time.

I'm pretty much done here, this is why I don't like to post. Like I said in my previous reply I don't dismiss the flourishes until I test them myself because "we have no idea what se is going to do" it might get an update like climatic it might not point is we don't know what it is going to do so I don't judge, and that being said does not make me a bad dancer. I guess I'm just different and not negative about everything.

[Shibayama]

Well, its nice that you have rudra's but still most of us would rather see a) more support abilities that have real group combat applications (the raise dance thing is such old news at this point no?) and b) abilities that don't benefit a small portion of the dnc population with a specific weaponskill.

[KanaaLuv]

Well, its nice that you have rudra's but still most of us would rather see a) more support abilities that have real group combat applications (the raise dance thing is such old news at this point no?) and b) abilities that don't benefit a small portion of the dnc population with a specific weaponskill.

Your right everyone doesn't have rudra, but even so why gimp the people that do? If I went through the trouble to get Rudra and it was trash I would be highly upset. I've seen nice shark bites and PK's with climatic, but I guess because of razed ruin everyone evis. I wouldn't mind having more things that make me a support player but dnc is a job that can be played many ways. I've seen some dancers haste samba saber dance and that's it, no support to the party what so ever. Only reason I mentioned the raise thing again is because it might be old but it was brought up again for this update. Support wise I would like to see a new samba and step, and not have any more JA's lowered to those that sub dnc. I think it's good we have versatile abilities because we can cure,tank,dd,support whichever to your liking.