[dev1024] Job Adjustments - BST

[Olor]

I don't really consider bst to be "crap tier."

Well it is awesome, admittably but not where it matters most of the time. Yes, the damage bonus versus the trashiest trash ever is great - but does that get invites?

I guess the fact that I would never get invited to work with others even to get the gear I would use on this job makes me feel like I am crap tier. Maybe it is a playerbase issue more than a programming issue, but this JA does nothing to improve that.

Honestly I would rather they scrap the level increase and actually BALANCE abyssea - where most of the gear I need is. But I haven't felt like logging in lately because I know if I want anything for my BST I will only have a chance to get it in a reasonable amount of time if I am white mage.

When I started to do quests for my seals I lost my will to really play.

I don't want to log in and "work" as a whm to get my gear for bst so I can "play" my video game. But the design is like that currently.

I guess this thread partially goes to my feelings about that.

[Alhanelem]

BST doesn't get invites mostly because people regard it as a "solo job." Indeed, most BSTs didn't even try to look for parties back in the day. There was a certain stigma associated with them (albeit unfairly) but the unpopularity of beasts doesn't have much to do with how good they are.

[Olor]

the old EXP reduction thing back in the day didn't help, I am sure

[Sparthos]

BST doesn't get invites mostly because people regard it as a "solo job." Indeed, most BSTs didn't even try to look for parties back in the day. There was a certain stigma associated with them (albeit unfairly) but the unpopularity of beasts doesn't have much to do with how good they are.

The whole notion of BST being a solo-only job was the creation of an era long past where the class indeed was one of the most viable classes for solo activities. This was the same era where 3k/hr EXP was norm and BST thrived because everyone was so damn mediocre that killing monsters with pets was better than dealing with an often terrible 6man pt.

The reason BST stayed a soloist is because SE abandoned the class. While other jobs were getting their fixes, tweaks and upgrades BST got a whole lot of nothing for a very long time.

Flash forward to a new era where SE is attempting to make all classes viable in some form and BST is behind other classes that had been receiving updates over the years. It isn't only about raw power in the world of DD rather than having a niche that makes your class desirable at events.

Ranger for instance is a class that fared terribly in Abyssea. Everything being so simple to melee meant there was no niche for RNG even though the class was perfectly functional as a DD.

What will BSTs niche be? The reason the job is considered "crap tier" is because very few events give the class an opportunity to shine. How many events can BST claim to be most ideal at?

Going back to RNG, while it sucked in Abyssea the class climbs back to the top of the pack in Voidwatch.

While I see what SE is trying to do, unless the boost is worth the loss of the pet and lasts a while (long enough to be near in-sync with Call Beast) the condition of BST won't change much.

[Fadnog]

I think if RW compounds the pets effectiveness into whatever the duration is it would be good for zerging or if your pet isn't lasting very long to begin with.

[Malamasala]

BST doesn't get invites mostly because people regard it as a "solo job."

People view WAR and MNK as a low man job, they still manage to get into larger groups though. It isn't really what people think of the job as much as "is the job the best ever? Yes/No?" If you are best, congratulations people will invite you.

Regarding the ability though... was it said that this summoned the pet when used? Else it seems like a good ability to use towards the end of a jugs life. Oh, I've used 25 of my 30 mins of pet life, time to use 5 mins of super power to get the most out of it.

[Olor]

The reason BST stayed a soloist is because SE abandoned the class. While other jobs were getting their fixes, tweaks and upgrades BST got a whole lot of nothing for a very long time.

This, thank you. We have very little which makes us stand apart. Yeah, we can deal damage - and in some content - some of the best damage - but so can a lot of other more useful jobs.

So there is no real reason to invite a bst to do a mega boss, or to an atma run or to a seal run, or on an nm run - except, as I said if no thf is available - they might invite for ghetto TH via dipper yuly

[Zatias]

For what its worth, BST and Dipper can solo most wind-casting NMs, but you probably knew that already D;

[Olor]

For what its worth, BST and Dipper can solo most wind-casting NMs, but you probably knew that already D;

yeah, I can solo a lot, even being still admittably pretty gimp. The problem is without procs it is sort of fail.

I mean it is fun the first time... but then you get like 1 seal or nothing at all, and think.. ugh.

[Zatias]

Well it's still useful if you want to help someone get a drop (like Rapidus Sax) or are missing 1 +2 item that is a 100% drop on the mob.

Still that's limited usage, but I enjoy being able to solo stuff so I don't always have to wait for my group.