[dev1024] Job adjustments - RDM

[Neisan_Quetz]

Yes I don't use Skype and have no interest in it.

[Hyrist]

Usssse ieeeeeeet.

Even just among the people in your party it makes things so much smoother, being able to talk with them. It's actually even better in getting to know the individual behind the game, their mood, etc. So much more is communicated with voice and a great deal quicker than typing out ever could.

And it really does streamline teamwork, which flatly bypasses a lot of timing/trust issues.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I used to use it but it made no real difference for me, so I don't anymore, that's really it (actually, it doesn't help the two people who got me using it quit the game). For the current lowman group I run with I know two irl and typically don't have issues with dealing with sitatuons without it. The only time I've had an issue is when I've said afk and someone didn't catch it for some reason, or they must have seriously thought I was going to fight mobs while weakened.

[Shiyo]

Voice chat makes me slower and distracts me.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Personal ability varies, some people really CANT walk and chew gum. Im an xbox360 player for other games than ffxi, so for me, mic communication is very fluid for me as is typing out my thoughts, but i agree that for me i can talk much clearer than i can type under heavy dangerous nm work loads.

[Scuro]

That and like I pointed out in an older post, jobs are only complex as you make them out to be. Any RDM who has pride in their efforts know damn well it can be the hardest job to maintain at an efficient level because of it's capacity to do so much. RDM however does needs time to cast their very extensive list of spells to become efficient and worthwhile which works well in long fights, BLU's strength lies in zerg tactics (magic or melee) dealing out massive damage as quickly as possible. Conversely, BLU's lack mp efficiency and tends to run out quickly (and die quickly from hate spikes) making it difficult in long fights, RDM on the other hand have slow nukes with spike damage a good league behind dedicated nukers and with monsters dieing within 30 seconds more than half our spells become pointless to cast which reduces our optimalness significantly in zerg situations.

Your playing it wrong, depending on what a BLU is doing, we do not lack MP efficiency, hence Battery Charge, and depending on where, atmas. I never run out of MP, and only those that are not paying attention or do not realize hate generation pull hate and die. Its called learn to Occultation/Shadow, if you are dying either your party sucks, or you suck. Especially since I have an Epona's Ring and a Atheling mantle for my TP set up, stop wasting so much MP, and let yourself hit the mob. Build that TP for stronger hits with C.A.

Gear dictates what jobs do?! Oh that explains this.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/231396

Makes perfect sense now. I see just how things work, thanks for enlightening me Scuro.

No, because RDM is a Buffer/Healer/Nuker class, with the CAPABILITY to solo DD and should not rival BLU, or else it would make the class irrelevant and a waste of designer time. This is why RDM does not get our DD WSs natively and why they are given a sword skill too low to rival our own. They also receive no native DD traits, therefore, it is not a DD class of any sort. The point of being a DD is that you are given traits or the capability to receive traits that enhance your DD capability. As most RDMs in this thread know, I'm the one that comes in when the post with a crown on it get s posted in. Hi, I'm Scuro, and I'll be putting out this fire today. BTW Shiyo a pleasure as always to see you fighting the good fight haha.

You must sink a lot, because your dense, I said that Job Traits of a DD form dictate the job, last I checked, BRD has none. While it is capable for great DD gear (ironically enough) it still has no Job traits, next time when you post, do read. Notice how I said nothing about having gear with DD stats.

What the job needs is new enfeebs and new buffs, ones that will set it apart from other opposing jobs. Now that it has lost a great enfeeble spell to WHM, its going to need to make up some of that lost ground. I still have no idea why they let WHM have that. That is what is needed from the class.

P.S
Skype is awesome, it enhances group coordination, and speeds communication between players allowing you to talk and keep doing what you are doing, rather then typing and reducing reaction time.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Brd may lack the job traits, but lets be real here, in a lot of cases those same job traits can be earned from sub-job, and brd can also substantially buff themselves to make up those magical missing traits. For someone who slings the "you must be dense" comment, you sure are narrowminded if you assume that jobs only have one or two purposes or abilities, and it is these same reasons drk K-club zergs, rdm chainspell stuns, and other well known tactics were developed, and saying that gear has no effect on something like that is completely wrong. Granted i did missread your statement, but the same jobtraits you cling to in many cases do very little baring some exceptions. But to humor you lets look at these traits.

Fencer, brd gets it, but im sure that is not counted as one of your DD traits, dispite it raising crit rate while single wielding, so yank that sword (which should be offhanded, but AH is a bit picky about slot placement) off and keep the rest of the gear or stack their equally impressive dex gear for evisceration.

Critical Defense Bonus. Sure its not a damage dealing trait, but it is a frontline trait. Once again, brd gets it.

Resist silence. Granted not a melee trait, but allows them to buff themselves.

Now lets look at some of the other argueably "DD" jobs.

BST.
-Killer traits
-Widescan
-Fencer
-Stout servant
-Resist Slow

Im sure those killer traits make it more DD related than brd. Im sure it has nothing to do with its gear and weapon choices. Course thats assuming bst is only designed to melee itself, not wear pet related gear at times to enhance their pet.

Lets escalate this some though and look at a much more recognized DD job.

Warrior
-Defense bonus 2 (22 DEF)
-Double attack
-Attack bonus 1 (10 ATT)
-Resist Virus
-Fencer
-Critical attack bonus
-Shield mastery
-Shield Defense Bonus

No argueing that war is more skilled, or a better damage dealer, but those traits you cling to, brd can sub war to get half of them that wont impact its main job. Including its double attack.

As for its attack bonus or defense bonus, or accuracy.
-Valor Minuet V grants upwards of 72 attack.
-Knight's MinneV grants up to 60 defense.
-Blade Madrigal gives 30 accuracy.

SO while lacking the native traits, it can get superior to the very traits you specify through sub and 2-3 buffs, and can gear like a DD, is it a DD? Nope, can it be one? Sure. Could the same to an even greater extent be given to any job at any time via JA, JT, MA, or other source causing the jobs to deal more than any other DD? Its unlikely, but its not impossible in a virtual fictional world. Get off your high horse and stop weighing in on things that extend outside your narrow field of perception.

[Kitkat]

If someone is dense cause of their reasoning that a job without native traits can DD, then you must be just as dense. Blu passive traits are -not- native and are generally weaker than what other jobs with the native traits get. This includes what any Subjob will give you in the form of these very same traits. Not to mention most of them are only Tier I (or in the case of DA -I) with only a few reaching Tier II (DW, MP bonus, HP bonus) and only one going higher (Clear mind), but still unable to reach the upper-most tier. If Crimson is dense, you must be two times as dense and sinking into the abyss faster. Either that or you don't even know a thing about the job that is your main and just need something to cry/poke/troll about.

The ability to be a DD, or even perform DD as a back-up comes from the gear available to the job along with buffs from Subjob, Primary job, and other sources including spell combinations on blu creating passive traits. I'll say it one more time: Blu does not get any passive traits natively and they are generally weaker than what as Subjob will give them. Thus your argument from this point of view is hurting you more than it is helping you, Scuro.

To clarify - Native implies that through no actions other than the representative level of the job the trait will appear. It can not be removed in any way, shape, or form aside from dropping below the prescribed level at which it is gained. Thus blu does not get any passive trait natively since they all come from Subjob, Spell combination, and merit options.

This means that any job that is capable of using a subjob to gain said traits, have access to DD gear, food, and other source enhancements (Spells, rolls, songs, atma) is capable of DD in a back-up role. Try reading yourself instead of contradicting yourself and using blind logic.

[Scuro]

Brd may lack the job traits, but lets be real here, in a lot of cases those same job traits can be earned from sub-job, and brd can also substantially buff themselves to make up those magical missing traits. For someone who slings the "you must be dense" comment, you sure are narrowminded if you assume that jobs only have one or two purposes or abilities, and it is these same reasons drk K-club zergs, rdm chainspell stuns, and other well known tactics were developed, and saying that gear has no effect on something like that is completely wrong. Granted i did missread your statement, but the same jobtraits you cling to in many cases do very little baring some exceptions. But to humor you lets look at these traits.

Fencer, brd gets it, but im sure that is not counted as one of your DD traits, dispite it raising crit rate while single wielding, so yank that sword (which should be offhanded, but AH is a bit picky about slot placement) off and keep the rest of the gear or stack their equally impressive dex gear for evisceration.

Critical Defense Bonus. Sure its not a damage dealing trait, but it is a frontline trait. Once again, brd gets it.

Resist silence. Granted not a melee trait, but allows them to buff themselves.

Oh yes and because I'm sure DRK is totally rocking the sh*t out of Tactical parry right? And I'm sure you RDM's love shield mastry right? Although the majority of RDMs that are wanting to DD 85% of the time prefer dual wield. And hot damn, WHM has some sexy shield defense, must mean they are a front line job too! Wow I must of gotten my FFXI knowledge out of a cracker jack box cuz I sure feel stupid..... No, not at all, ever. Dude seriously, thats cool and all, but again, just because they have those traits, doesn't mean its supposed to actually be used religiously, I mean honestly... how many DRKs do you see parry? And also your statement that it can sub and be a DD and receive traits.... No, they are weaker because they are subbed, and a WHM/WAR apparently can DD, or a SMN/DRK can melee it up, with that kind of twisted logic there would be just death. Just because you can sub DD traits, doesn't make you a DD, or else every job could be a DD, and while I'm sure some of them can manage or give it a good try for some situations, jobs have their socket, and it is up to the player to apply them to the right one rather then trying to put a square peg in a circle slot with the logic that ramming it hard enough will eventually make it fit.

If someone is dense cause of their reasoning that a job without native traits can DD, then you must be just as dense. Blu passive traits are -not- native and are generally weaker than what other jobs with the native traits get. This includes what any Subjob will give you in the form of these very same traits. Not to mention most of them are only Tier I (or in the case of DA -I) with only a few reaching Tier II (DW, MP bonus, HP bonus) and only one going higher (Clear mind), but still unable to reach the upper-most tier. If Crimson is dense, you must be two times as dense and sinking into the abyss faster. Either that or you don't even know a thing about the job that is your main and just need something to cry/poke/troll about.

The ability to be a DD, or even perform DD as a back-up comes from the gear available to the job along with buffs from Subjob, Primary job, and other sources including spell combinations on blu creating passive traits. I'll say it one more time: Blu does not get any passive traits natively and they are generally weaker than what as Subjob will give them. Thus your argument from this point of view is hurting you more than it is helping you, Scuro.

To clarify - Native implies that through no actions other than the representative level of the job the trait will appear. It can not be removed in any way, shape, or form aside from dropping below the prescribed level at which it is gained. Thus blu does not get any passive trait natively since they all come from Subjob, Spell combination, and merit options.

This means that any job that is capable of using a subjob to gain said traits, have access to DD gear, food, and other source enhancements (Spells, rolls, songs, atma) is capable of DD in a back-up role. Try reading yourself instead of contradicting yourself and using blind logic.

Now *cracks knuckles* for hater Numero Dos! You obviously don't read fine print, which is why you think that RDM can actually DD, but its ok, I'll humor you. Yes we do receive Tier 1's, grats, but hell, thats at least tier 1 that doesn't come out of a subjob, and can be applied to subjobs that other jobs don't have the pleasure for. I mean if I really want to get the perks of dual wield, yes I'm obviously going to sub NIN or DNC, but if I want to apply it to other things for niche reasons, I can do that. Also your supposidly witty comment about a statement you don't know anything about, if you actually took the time to fully read it, they actually say about the Double Attack trait that (We didn't change anything), which implies that the calculation that was originally thought for WAR's native Double attack is actually inaccurate. Feel free to read it again, I would dig up the link, but its not really worth my time seeing as how its already been clarified amongst the BLU community.

Also because your argument is just so much fun to shread up, I'm going to play with your idea that "BLU has no native traits because they can be removed!" Ya, its called the system of the class, /slowclap, I'm glad you caught on to it. So what you are trying to say to me, is that a PUP isn't considered a healer when it has the WHM head frame because it can be removed? /applaud you are fantastic! That a SCH doesn't have Nuking or healing spells because it has to be under certain Addenda in order to use? /applaud You are a GENIUS! How could I be so blind!?.... I couldn't even keep a straight face.... I mean seriously, that was the most emphasized sarcasm I could preform and I'm glad you could be apart of this entertainment. Again Kitkat, your logic is a pleasure as always, and I salute you sir /slowclap

[Daniel_Hatcher]

What do you class Temper and Enspells if not to increase melee? What about Composure with increased Enhancement duration and 15 Accuracy?

Are they a DD? Hell no! But you're completely wrong if you think SE don't want RDM to melee in some instances with the gear coming out, the weapons and the Weapon Skill adjustments they clearly do.

You're fear of RDM beating BLU is misplaced.