Don't undervalue yourself. Not every White Mage has a ton of Refresh gear, and even those that do definitely benefit from having a Red Mage Refresh II them (especially since many White Mages sub Scholar and have to rely on Sublimation otherwise). While I can manage MP decently in WoE with gear as a White Mage, I definitely miss my Red Mage friends (I also didn't 5/5 Devotion for nothing). And heaven forbid I try to level there with my terribly geared Summoner.

That said, I'm thinking that there should be more ways to boost the effectiveness of Refresh II then just the AF3 pants, especially since Bards and Corsairs have so much Refresh to cast these days. Perhaps Refresh II should grant an extra point per tic per 100 Enhancing Magic skill?

Quote Originally Posted by Seriha View Post
I have no doubt 90+ WHMs are in a good place. I was just focusing on how a 61 WHM or anyone not RDM or SCH /WHM isn't THAT good.
To be fair, SMN/WHM, since they cap cure potency. BRD/WHM can do it now too, and since they can cast a decent amount of Refresh, although I fully expect them to go /RDM with Cure IV and Haste, for the Fast Cast. I could mention BLU as well, but they excel for different reasons.

Of course, all of these jobs (except maybe BLU) have been asked to main cure in a party at some point, and support cure for events too. I'd go on, but the idea that a 61 WHM can outheal a Red Mage without a Refresh source is laughable, and moot since nobody invites a 61 White Mage to an event unless they really don't want to invite other people.