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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    Do you realize that whm/rdm runs out much faster due to everythign costing full? it may "look" like they have twice the pool but they go through as fast as just having one. the time it takes in the same situation that a whm/rdm runs out of mp, converts and runs out again, a proper whm/sch will still have over half mp, i have both subs and have played around with both. /sch wins, hands down, not discussing this crap again. i don't expect people know how to use WHM properly. hence my statment eariler that if you don't see the disadvantages of /rdm you won't ever.

    As a budding whm why dont you point us to where you went into this in detail? And while you are at it explain how to use whm properly? I'm not trolling btw 90% of my time is spent on smn but i'm still working on whm and am interested in all anyone has to say. Made inquiry in whm boards awhile back and got nice responses. The biggest room in the world is the room for improvement so im interested in what you have to say. Post a link?
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    Points well taken. I won't argue with which subjob is better. I've never had any particular inefficiency issues with MP because of subbing /rdm either, even when having to bomb Cure V with not time to recoup spent MP.

    Also MM atma isn't enough for BLM in Abyssea so supplementing refresh for them is a huge help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Points well taken. I won't argue with which subjob is better. I've never had any particular inefficiency issues with MP because of subbing /rdm either, even when having to bomb Cure V with not time to recoup spent MP.

    Also MM atma isn't enough for BLM in Abyssea so supplementing refresh for them is a huge help.
    In abyssea you can pretty much get away with any sub. it's outside is where you see the biggest diffrence, some fights however, can be very draining. try curing a MNK/WAR vs empousa or indrik for example..

    BLm can refresh them selves, unless they are subbing whm for some odd, dumb reason outside procing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    In abyssea you can pretty much get away with any sub. it's outside is where you see the biggest diffrence, some fights however, can be very draining. try curing a MNK/WAR vs empousa or indrik for example..

    BLm can refresh them selves, unless they are subbing whm for some odd, dumb reason outside procing.
    Rarely do I WHM outside of abyssea (SMN main job here) but I do for certain actives, but considering my LS events always have at least two WHM (one dedicated healer for tank, others take care of other frontline), making sure to /heal appropriately between healing and buffing made sure I never fell under 70% MP. 50% during fights with NMs spamming TP moves.

    Outside abyssea, there's no need to use Cure V unless in a dire situation so Cure III and IV, when used correctly, isn't as draining on the MP as one thinks. (I guess cure potency gear helps too so you're not spamming them back to back)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post

    BLm can refresh them selves, unless they are subbing whm for some odd, dumb reason outside procing.
    Do blm sub anything but brd in abyssea? more refresh is good for blm.
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    Light arts also applies its bonus equally to both recast and cast time.
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    The only way any WHM should be subbing something other than SCH, is if they need Stun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    oh wow, really, 75, cause you know new gear was never added, and stats/ mp never increased. yes it is EXACLTY the same at 75.

    pssst it was better at 75 to.

    you're a funny troll.
    Higher MP pools and new gear strengthens rdm more than whm/sch. So by extension whm/rdm should be better now than whm/sch when it comes to mp unless something groundbreaking has happened to sch sub since 75 cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbieGibson View Post
    Higher MP pools and new gear strengthens rdm more than whm/sch. So by extension whm/rdm should be better now than whm/sch when it comes to mp unless something groundbreaking has happened to sch sub since 75 cap.

    Sorry but you ran out of funny material already, you can stop trolling now, it's not working anymore ;/
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    Do the math on it and you will see. It's the very reason why rdm was better in merits than whm. Vert and refresh are just too strong.
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