Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Tarage]

So, if you haven't seen the video, SCH is getting a new 2-hour only spell called Merton. Might be called Meltdown in english, I don't know. See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZN3rOSEHk

Point is, there are some striking similarities to what this spell does and what the Summoner 2-hour Odin does. Both are able to hit a large amount of enemies and both are capable of doing incredibly large amounts of damage. That's where the similarities end. While this spell seems to be able to take out 10 mobs out of 11. That's some pretty amazing accuracy. Odin? Odin's lucky if we can hit 5.

It's fine and all to give SCH some more tools. SCH needs something to set it apart from the other mage jobs. But if you are going to give SCH something that is almost exactly the same as Odin, why not allow us SMN to have the same accuracy? I highly doubt the SCH has to use all of their MP to do that attack. SMN does, and they get roughly half the effect.

Odin is a joke. Please throw us a bone here. At least be fair about it. And please don't give me flack that "The SCH spell doesn't kill mobs, it only damages them, while Odin can flat out kill mobs." If it misses more than it bloody hits, then it's not even worth it. An all or nothing attack that more often than not does nothing is worthless. At least make the % to hit chance based on SMN skill or something. Come on.

[Michae]

Oh come on, smn has gotten tons of good stuff and is even given new avatars with this coming update, what does sch have? Nothing. Its mainly used as a sub only and those who have it at 90 have a hard time getting a pt cause ppl lolsch the job all the time. We cant nuke as good as a blm and we are stuck with just cure IV, Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.

[Ank]

Doesn't the sch in the video use elemental seal?
This is nothing more than an exhibition video, there's no way to determine mp cost, recast, or acc.


Not that I'm against smn buffs.

[Duelle]

Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.

First, one thing making the job worthwhile is bad in the long run. Secondly, the OP does have a point. SMN getting a high damage spell with a high miss chance that requires Astral Flow, then SCH getting something similar that doesn't seem to have the stupidly high miss chance but can be AoE'd through strategem use. I'd venture to say there is a chance SMN got short-changed here. Business as usual, either way. =/

[Razushu]

Oh come on, smn has gotten tons of good stuff and is even given new avatars with this coming update, what does sch have? Nothing. Its mainly used as a sub only and those who have it at 90 have a hard time getting a pt cause ppl lolsch the job all the time. We cant nuke as good as a blm and we are stuck with just cure IV, Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.

Who's saying lolSCH? I've yet to encounter that once, SCH works great from what I've seen. Of course you can't nuke as good as a BLM you heal much better than they do, and no one but WHM gets > Cure IV. I've no problem with SCH getting a 2hr, that works very similar to our own, but I do take issue with the fact it will likely a) Be much more effective b) cost less c) usable more than once over the course of one 2hr.

[Michae]

Who's saying lolSCH? I've yet to encounter that once, SCH works great from what I've seen. Of course you can't nuke as good as a BLM you heal much better than they do, and no one but WHM gets > Cure IV. I've no problem with SCH getting a 2hr, that works very similar to our own, but I do take issue with the fact it will likely a) Be much more effective b) cost less c) usable more than once over the course of one 2hr.

It happen, when I took sch from 1-75 it was ok due to sublimation being close enough to refresh that ppl liked having a sch. But since sch got stuck in the mud, getting it from 75-90 was a lil more difficult. I would ask to go on a dyna run or aby run or salvage or whatever as sch and always got the lolsch no thanks reply. Even in a standard pt, I would hear, No Id rather have a whm or rdm (the rdm part makes no sense to me since they have just cure 4 too but -shrug-) Maybe its my server? When I actually did get a pt ppl would tell me I changed their opinion of sch since I was a mean heal machine

[Tannlore]

It happen, when I took sch from 1-75 it was ok due to sublimation being close enough to refresh that ppl liked having a sch. But since sch got stuck in the mud, getting it from 75-90 was a lil more difficult. I would ask to go on a dyna run or aby run or salvage or whatever as sch and always got the lolsch no thanks reply. Even in a standard pt, I would hear, No Id rather have a whm or rdm (the rdm part makes no sense to me since they have just cure 4 too but -shrug-) Maybe its my server? When I actually did get a pt ppl would tell me I changed their opinion of sch since I was a mean heal machine

Sounds to me like a problem with the people you play with rather than the job (though SCH has it's problems... and what job doesn't have them?) I play SCH plenty outside of Abyssea and have little to no issues with it as a main nuker or a cure machine.

If the people you hang out with don't let you play the jobs you enjoy: this is the issue.

[Razushu]

Sounds to me like a problem with the people you play with rather than the job (though SCH has it's problems... and what job doesn't have them?) I play SCH plenty outside of Abyssea and have little to no issues with it as a main nuker or a cure machine.

If the people you hang out with don't let you play the jobs you enjoy: this is the issue.

Beat me to it lol, I was honestly unaware anyone considered SCH a loljob until this merton video was released. I've always thought SCH was great, one of the last things I did was with a SCH, we trio'ed Mictlantehcuhtli with a MNK, and they were giving us the emnity-/+ spells, nuking and keeping the MNK regained was a easy fight.

[Economizer]

Oh come on, smn has gotten tons of good stuff and is even given new avatars with this coming update, what does sch have? Nothing. Its mainly used as a sub only and those who have it at 90 have a hard time getting a pt cause ppl lolsch the job all the time. We cant nuke as good as a blm and we are stuck with just cure IV, Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.

Scholar should never and will never be as good as Black Mage or White Mage again. Get over it.

Beat me to it lol, I was honestly unaware anyone considered SCH a loljob until this merton video was released. I've always thought SCH was great, one of the last things I did was with a SCH, we trio'ed Mictlantehcuhtli with a MNK, and they were giving us the emnity-/+ spells, nuking and keeping the MNK regained was a easy fight.

That's because the job is actually useful. You wouldn't believe how many Scholars in the Scholar forums won't be happy until they can cure as good as a White Mage can and dismiss anything you say "because White Mage has Cure VI" like it is an actual argument. Regardless of any actual issues with the job, the majority of them don't ask for useful, unique abilities, because they just want their job to be Dark Arts -> replace Black Mage, Light Arts -> replace White Mage with a bit of Stratagem -> replace Red Mage on the side.

Also, acting like other jobs don't have valid complaints is real mature too. But I shouldn't judge the Scholar class based on what the most noticeable and whiny parts of the community that plays it does.

I'm all for Scholar getting more and more unique abilities rather then just being a copy of 2-3 jobs depending on what Arts it is using. A potent healing helix could possibly deal with their healing woes, and of course, the possibility of tier 2 Helixes, and spells that change the conditions of the battlefield. Everyone deserves a plethora of new toys.

As for all the Summoners complaining, Scholar is already a useful FC support class already, since a Red Mage can cover someone doing AOE WS by Phalanx + Cure IV, Scholar can too. Buffing this so they can do an AOE nuke like Black Mage once every two hours doesn't seem unreasonable.

Shoot, even if the Scholar merits Dagger, subs Red Mage, and uses a combination of Phalanx, Aeolian Edge, and Merton to self farm in Abyssea, what is wrong with this? Some jobs are already capable of solo chest farm.

Perhaps Odin deserves a boost, at least in Abyssea. Maybe on mobs that it "misses" that aren't NMs it could do 9999 damage (resistable?). Of course, until a proposed buff like this is set in place, don't forget about your other summons...

[Arcon]

And to clarify, it's not natively AoE, it's just a dark magic spell, which can be made AoE by using Manifestation. It's a weird thing to complain about, besides, SMN still have Alexander.