Poor Poor Rdm...useless as ever even to 95

[Malacite]

Precisely - if Temper doesn't stack with Double/Triple Attack ala Joyeuse, then people are going to hate it. Especially since that means it can't proc on WS.

So no, it's pretty far from "meh" if that's how it works.

[Creelo]

Inside Abyssea, Temper will probably not turn out so hot... But Outside, it should prove to be extremely useful even if it works like Joytoy.

I think the interesting points about Temper that we'll have to wait to see are if it stacks with DA/TA/QA (Unlikely I feel ), if it can be casted upon others (I'm guessing it'll be your immediate party only, like Refresh/Regen), how much it'll OAT, and if it works on both main-hand and off-hand weapons (or both fists for H2H).

[Ophannus]

RDM at 90 is a RDM75 with Tier 4 nukes and a stronger refresh.

[Malamasala]

RDM at 90 is a RDM75 with Tier 4 nukes and a stronger refresh.

Could be worse. SMN at 90 is a SMN75 with higher perpetuation cost and the ability to quickly remove 100 MP. According to patch notes SMN at 95 will be the same. At least they'll fix everything at level 99.

[Zatias]

I thought Temper would just be a 5%~ increase to Double Attack.

[Ophannus]

Eh SMN can be good in Abyssea, I see some sweet 4-5k Heavenly Strikes, 8k with proc. Ifrit's Favor can give your party +25% DA when capped, that's pretty wonderful, especially outside Abyssea when ppl will miss VV/Apoc

[Malamasala]

Eh SMN can be good in Abyssea, I see some sweet 4-5k Heavenly Strikes, 8k with proc. Ifrit's Favor can give your party +25% DA when capped, that's pretty wonderful, especially outside Abyssea when ppl will miss VV/Apoc

I'm not saying it is bad. I'm saying nothing changed. While RDMs actually got new spells, even if IV spells aren't that fancy.

[Malacite]

Eh SMN can be good in Abyssea, I see some sweet 4-5k Heavenly Strikes, 8k with proc. Ifrit's Favor can give your party +25% DA when capped, that's pretty wonderful, especially outside Abyssea when ppl will miss VV/Apoc

o-O the hell? Really?

[Tannlore]

o-O the hell? Really?

And would it surprise you to know that I've been turned down constantly when I offered this to people? They rather have nothing... no seriously, they wanted nothing up instead.

[Hayward]

I'm not quite so apocalyptic about Red Mage as things stand right now. There still needs to be some fixes to make the job stand out on its own as opposed to /WHM or /SCH, but it is nowhere near useless. The adjustments to NM enfeebling is welcome, though a rather startling indictment of the developers' bungled attempt at stopping Red Mages/Black Mages/Scholars from soloing NMs through Enfeebling/DoT. Though it will no longer be exclusive to RDM at 95, Addle is quite a valuable spell for the job and gives stunners a bigger window to stop -ga IV/tier V spells. The group 2 merit spells could stand an overall rise to the merit point limit to allow more improvement in their potency and effectiveness.

Some more attention to the martial side of RDM would be nice (Temper will be a great start if, in fact, it is limited to oneself and Accessionable), but it should not be treated as the magic bullet to the job's identity issues.